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    I hope I'm not incorrect, doesn't seem like anybody answered correctly yet, as Spydertrader has not mentioned it. So far, peak volume doesn't explain it, nor does lack of VE and/or flaw. I find myself asking myself what signal(s) for change apply to a traverse, but NOT a tape? Can the answer...
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    I apologize if anything I have to say has been brought up in last 100 pages or so. I've been quietly working away at printed out static charts. I'm up to 20 charts at this point, and will continue with this until I get what I'm supposed to:) Having said that, I'd like to make a couple...
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    DKM has been at this, it appears, many years. Yet he still isn't seeing what he needs to see. I feel like I'm blind and deaf out in the wilderness. I do ask questions, but it seems that they have no answers. Just a few days ago I inquired about the prior discussion on understanding when/why the...
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    Dear Spydertrader, Please feel free to ignore this post if inappropriate, I need to be a bit cathartic:) I missed yesterday live, but reviewed your posts last night. Didn't really sleep, because I was so incredibly depressed. My charts have been matching what you post in the recent past...
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    Thank you Tums and all for your help and support. In the future I will link to or provide entire quote. I've got my hands full today with family issues, but my intent is, for the benefit of all, to grab all of the conversation and charts related to this question and post it when I can also...
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    I am only M'ing, have been ever since I was advised to do so. And I do feel just a bit stuck, mainly because I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for or not. I can't even tell for sure if I am missing something, but I will continue to M until some kind of aha moment occurs. I respect...
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    Mine of course. So, I'll ask for some assistance on the particular question at hand. The clue that Spydertrader offered in reference to the differences between two bars was this... "In one if the clips, at no time during the forming bar does Price resemble a Pennant Formation. In the other...
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    Indeed, and I am wanting to comply with your suggestion that M is 100% complete BEFORE moving on. I got the impression from your post that I should review exactly what Spydertrader has said monitoring encompasses and what the metric is for moving forward. Did I miss your point? Avi8.... no...
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    To Tums and Avi8, Thank you for your relpies. I need to go look up exactly what those specifications are. In the mean time, let you ask you this... I have about 3 or 4 nagging questions (down from about 100, so major progress :) ) that really fit more into A than M. I take it that your...
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    The reply to CNMS from Spydertrader got me to thinking. This post is a serious attempt at understanding where and how I need to go from here. It is absolutely NOT meant as any sort of complaint or disrespect toward those who have made an effort to help others far beyond what might be considered...
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    From what I can tell based on various comments Spydertrader has made and from my own observations, it seems to me that one aspect of an OB is that it's a bar that is sensitive to (or rather prone to?) intrabar changes. Perhaps more so than other types of bars. I am observing the dynamics of...
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    Starting to see the YM distinctly lead at certain points. Also, the recent discussion vis a vis traverses and retraces has helped. After the long period of LM (9:45 - 10:45 on my chart) I began to realize that LM was actually an entire traverse and NOT just a retrace, so then I was anticapating...
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    Today's am ES. It seems like I'm slowly starting to see/feel certain events occurring intrabar, which is very cool.
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    Spydertrader's recent "lesson" to Romanus really hit home. JUST annotating should be easy as cake. For me, JUST annotating is mental hell. I find myself constantly trying to play the prediction game. What I have noticed, is that if I let myself off the hook about everything BUT annotating, that...
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    Thank you Spydertrader for you recent help, I think it's making a difference. Today's ES....
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    I drew a picture for myself of some pt3 channels: a dom up pt3, non-dom down pt3, and then another dom up pt3. I drew in the non-dom retrace of the non-dom pt3 down channel (which is price moving up on decreasing black volume). I read and reread your reply to me and it's not registering...
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    Thank you very much. Gotta let this one digest a bit, but I have a gut feeling that something really valuable will precipatate out of this.
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    Dear Spydertrader, I've been reviewing every post you've ever made with the words "lateral" or "pennant" within. In the process, I came across the following bit from chat.... Spydertrader (Jan 29, 2008 3:17:03 PM) "YM shows increasing black 9as it still remains in its up channel) but not...
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    I wondered this too. Upon studying Spydertrader's older ES charts I found cases of pt3 channels drawn in where no inc vol occurred after the pt3 was annotated. I did notice that (most every time) I found this, the channel in question was a non-dom traverse of a bigger constructed channel...
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    Iterative Refinement

    Thank you Avi8 for your input. This time, your additions were no surprise. I consciously did not label your heliotrope channel as a pt3 as I saw it more as a tape, but did see it as a traverse. Your orange channel was even steeper than the tape I already had, so didn't annotate it as I...
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