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CE: >Turok, >Cache had already dealt with that one. Well, not really... >Cache Landing: >The official statement is that the prophet saw >the secular annihilation of the church if polygamy >were to continue. He's right of course, the "official statement" is exactly what he...

Rat: >Ron will not win the Republican nomination >period. it is fixed by criminals.... Ron will not win the Republical nomination period. Not enough people will vote for him. JB

CE: >It seems to me that the whole rift between >“fundamental” mormons and salt-lake mormons >started when some leader or other received a >message from god to stop the practice of plural >marriage. It was a message from Washington, not "God". JB

Mc: >Obama is _______ "Obama is near". "No dadblammit -- Obama is _______" With credit to "Blazing Saddles". JB

I truly don't understand your point. Until the system is changed, the people who payed into the system deserve to get their money back. The way to get your constituent's money back is to belly up to the trough and do what everyone else does. One can do what's fair for one's constituents...

I can certainly understand how people who have blindly listened to the canned, 30 second sound bites of the last 30 political years could consider RPs speeches "rambles". The short attention span of the general public and their desire to hear that someone will save them from themselves is...

nv: >The universe was created by a higher consciousness >of many intelligences. What you see is creations from >super-beings that are constantly gathering intelligence. >They may be 500-1000s of years old but they are far >more advanced than any human. Well, I guess it's settled...

I'm strongly pro-choice, and couldn't agree more. JB CL: 3) I don't think that abortion should be outlawed, but partial birth abortion definitely should. There is absolutely no rational reason for supporting it. Anyone who sees one performed and says it isn't murder is in complete denial...

Ztroll: >So, which came first? >The Universe, or the math of the Universe? Kj: >The Universe. Ztroll: >Dodge >Okay, once again: >Which came first, the Universe or the math of the Universe. The zTroll calls a direct answer to his question a "dodge", and then asks the same exact...

yip: >How can one then compare the probability of >existence of the unknown creator and the >creation by accident? From your following statement (below) it's clear you mean the above as a rhetorical. >It is a lot easier to discuss about the possibility of the >existence of a "known"...

Yeah, I was so bummed when I learned this earlier. I can't imagine how it must be for the competitors who worked so hard to get ready. JB

I generally agree, but not completely in this case ... The IDers are telling us that our life forms are too complex to have "just happened" and for this reason a far more powerful force (ID) *had to be* at work. Well, IF complexity is the issue, the probability of a more complex creature...

HH: >The possibility of life forms based on different logics, >different chemistries, or even different natural constants >can't be ruled out ... Agreed. >but at this time it's only a fanciful idea with no scientific basis. No more fanciful than the two primary concepts...

yip: >When the fact is given, the probability is alway 1. Yes, and this fact is given -- we are here ... thus it is 1. JB

OPINION ALERT!!!! >However, if this is the only universe, some major >scientists say it is absurd to say our universe formed >the way it did by chance. JB

ROFLAO! That's Rcan -- always wanting from others that which he cannot/will not provide for others. JB

We know who you are, where you are and we're coming for you. JB

zTroll: >So he is a conservative who supports RuPaul >more than the other conservatives, again, what >is the point? A pro choice, pro gay marriage, anti-school prayer, staunch separation of church and state conservative. That's me. JB

JB3: >Because they were NOT packaged with things >that RP was opposed to. Please RTFP! Sorry, thought your post read: "could not have been packaged" and after rereading it, saw it read: "could not have been a package". My bad. JB

do: >Hmm, if honesty and integrity are you only >criteria, why Ron Paul? I'm pretty sure I didn't say those were the *only* criteria, but they're high enough that I understand your point. Let's say that if there are multiple candidates who I believe aren't bullshitting me, my tiebreakers...