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GG - I see one major flaw in your analogy - and the same flaw applies when comparing it to trading - you are assuming that you will end up getting the "PAGE CONNOT BE DISPLAYED" message. Maybe, for any of 100's of reasons, the sites response time is much slower than normal. Maybe if you had...

There is nothing special required to "short" with JTrader - just sell when you want to short, and buy when you want to cover.

1000+ round turns per?

MA @ 45 degree angle? How is that measured? I can make just about any MA a 45 degree angle at a given time by changing the horizontal scale of my chart.

I dont think you were ever supposed to be able to use the $9.95 feed to feed third party apps. Maybe they closed the hole?

Are you guys trying to use the livecharts $9.95 feed to feed a third party charting app?

Even easier money to just short MOC the day before it drops 5%.

What will be on the buffet?

How can you have ANY slippage on a limit order? Makes no sense.

Globex does not have market orders. They only accept limit type orders (limit or stop-limit). That # doesn't really indicate a "simulated" order - it indicates an order that will not be sent to globex immediately.

Excellent - now you have found the "holy grail" of TTE!

I dunno why it wont open directly then - it does for me. Right click on the link and then "save target as..." and save the PDF file to your hard drive - then open it with Acrobat Reader.

Do you have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed?

Also re: TTE directly - http://www.tradingeducators.com/notebook/traders_trick_entry.pdf

TTE = Traders Trick Entry? http://www.tradingeducators.com/newsletters/Sample-TN.pdf

Yes, the CME limits each trade to 250 contracts max. Even seen a print on the ES for more than 250?

What are you talking about? This was not a greenspan spike. Tell this to all the people who traded YM during the spike and were left with open positions after one side of their trade got busted.

Did it appear to you to be a button pressing error on ES? If so, why would you trade it - knowing that button pressing errors usually get busted leaving you in a position that you probably wouldn't want to be in? Or are you saying you had already determined the "button pressing error" was in...

If it wasn't for the ease of getting trades busted on the eminis - I'd be more agreeable to trading these sorts of spikes. As nitro noted above, maybe it's possible to take advantage of these emini spikes by trading QQQ's or SPY's instead. I assume those are not nearly as easy to bust, but I...

LOL. Well, if it was really an erroneous sell program on the ES, then your trade would have been busted and you'd probably be left with an open position that you didn't want. Remember that ES pop at EOD a few months ago - where the trades were busted and many people who shorted the pop were...