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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    My default position isn't the same. I don't think thunder and lightening are gods speaking. Somewhere along the line a physical phenomenon was attributed to God but later it was demonstrated how it happens naturally in nature. So you are implying that because someone got it wrong in that...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Nope, it's my need to not be as close minded as you obviously are. You sure have conviction for someone who knows almost nothing about how the universe works. I fully accept the notion that our smartest scientists really only have a basic grasp on the complexities of life and the universe...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Not true. That is simply your opinion because you are intent on defining God in terms of the one you evidently have a grudge against. There is nothing saying that every person believes in a personal god. It could very well be that God's purpose is to create a universe like a giant erector...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Brass, What I am suggesting is the following situation for a scientist who is born and raised in a community that is overwhelmingly Judeo-Christian. His entire childhood is influenced and formed by a society that overwhelmingly believes in God. His particular household likely practices a...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Well, you're stating it differently than I did. I suggested stronger belief with further knowledge. You seem to be asking for a conversion from strong dis-belief to strong belief. I actually would make one suggestion to your other point. Are they moving away from the idea of a creation...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    There are many stories of scientists developing a belief in a creator as they learned more. To your other point. Assumptions are not necessarily biases, although they can be. They are just assumptions. Without them, the scientific method cannot be followed.
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    LOL... so Gallup's survey says that some 87% of people in America firmly believe in God. About 10% are not convinced one way or the other. 3% firmly do not believe. So according to you, all legitimate scientists are found in that 3% group?
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Why are you so convinced that everyone who believes in God has no desire to understand science? You do realize that there are literally many millions of scientists who believe in God, right?
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    You must not be very familiar with the various forms of Christianity. There are many Christians who are neither young-earthers, nor do they believe that the suggested 7-day creation was accurate or literal.
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Are you joking? Why do you think there are so many religions? Religious people cry foul just as frequently as non-religious. Again, you are making it very obvious that you have a specific axe to grind with Judeo-Christianity. You obviously pride yourself on being a "free thinker" but i...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Exactly! Where did the matter come from that was present during the big bang? Or if string theory is correct, and two universes collided to create ours, where did those two come from? It's the same question.
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Again, you are lumping all believers in God into your definition of what a believer in God is. Are there creationist who fit that profile? yes. Are there scientists who manipulate data to support their biases? yes
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    LOL, that is a gross exaggeration and you know it. You've just suggested that everyone who believes in God, also believes in your opinion on what the bible is. Then you suggested that a belief in God eliminates the desire to understand our universe. Your prejudice is astounding.
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Yes, always and necessarily. Any previous evidence must have been gathered during a previous experiment. You are then using the prior conclusions as new assumptions. "We are going to assume that the prior assumptions were correct and that the test methods were valid. If we make those...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Nope... in the accepted scientific method. Assumptions and Hypotheses come BEFORE examination of evidence. Otherwise it is just psuedo-science.
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Never said anything about Jesus having something to do with science. EVERYONE makes assumptions about their world. That is the basis of science. For the atheist... 1) I assume that I exist. 2) I assume that my perceived world exists. 3) I assume that this world didn't just...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    Not so much the suicide bomber. More the scientist who accidentally blew himself up. Anyway, that question is akin to suggesting that our universe is a small sphere being hurled in a joyful game of interstellar marbles (ala Men In Black). Maybe we live in "The Matrix". Would we know the...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    I'm curious as to what you think I meant by that statement.
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    I never said that. You are so intent on proving your superior intellect that you are incapable of listening to the other side and understanding what he said. Instead, you throw up a straw man and argue with yourself, just so that you can feel smarter than everyone else. Meanwhile, everyone...
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    How do you distinguish between the belief in God and the occult?

    No there is no conspiracy, faith is not part of science. Science only concerns itself with what can be defined and proven. To believers, everything around them proves that God exists. Science just discovers the "how". Your statement is just patently false. There are many brilliant...
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