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Longshot - You are becoming a living example of micro-evolution, at least in your posts. They are more civil, more thoughtful, and not filled with unrelated profanity. (Take that from someone who prior to 4 yrs of age was more profane than most adults.)

___________________________________________ Is an imnipotent being bound by conundrums?

_____________________________________________ Does He need to?

So drop the bullshit and either address MY CASE, or concede that you cannot and that god must be held negligent for THE SAME REASONS the man who stands idly by is held negligent. peace axeman ___________________________________________ The man would and should have an opportunity...

If He made it all better which way would you choose. Of course you would and should want to know if there are any qualifications to either side of the choices. Look at the animal world. There a millions of carnevous out there that aren't eating grass. We can argue forever about evolution and...

Not because He wanted it this way but He allowed it to be this way after someone chose this way rather than the other. You are free to choose every day ( to pull the trigger and trade or not to trade) and if you choose wrong you have to pay the consequences. On a trading website that should be...

I already explained that this does NOT mean that every life should be saved, so drop that excuse already. peace axeman ___________________________________________ So then which ones should and which ones shouldn't? If some should and some shouldn't then who should be the judge of who...

Might as well make it all five planes plus the bus and the running over the cliff. So far you have included everything but a drunk. The list could certainly grow. How about flight 800, lava flows, earthquakes, diseases , famine, and even old age. Might as well hold Him responsible for all of it...

LS - You're making my point. You are not God (I hope :)) . He should be allowed to tell His side of the story. And by bringing in 9/11, that is exactly my point. Why just a bus load of church children or children running over a cliff? The list could be endless. Every death for whatever cause.

Still the frame of reference. You are continually judging on your frame of reference. Carryin out your reasoning, no one should ever die because God could have prevented it.

Im simply claiming that LIKE A MAN who stands idly by, and allows innocent children to die when he could have prevented it, GOD should be held responsible for the SAME negligent behavior. You cannot label someone benevolent who commits this act. axeman...

To qualify as a strawman, it would require that I took TM's original argument, modified/twisted it into a weaker form, and then attack the weaker/different form. I did NO such thing. Your claim is invalid. axeman __________________________________________ I am saying that your...

_______________________________________________ This whole hypothetical question should be labeled a "strawman". 1. It is a hypothetical. Obviously. 2. The answer can only be given in relation to Gods' benevolence. a. Where has God said that the only attribute to His being is...

When a police officer prevents your death NOW, by shooting the criminal that is about to shoot you in the head, THAT does not seem to be a problem right? So the problem for THE POLICE OFFICER may be to prevent now and allow later or allow now. Notice... if the police officer did NOT...

If god, knowingly sits idly by in situations like these, where free will is not affected, and innocents die, where he could easily play the role of a third party, then I can only conclude that he is not there or not moral, or powerless. peace axeman...

I read yesterday on the historical evidence of Christ and learned some things I hadn't thought of before. The church that He inspired started almost immediately after His death. There were lots of baptisms going on and meetings were happening everywhere and growing. The people that were...

Darkhorse - Welcome. Good points and a very good post. You are appreciated at least by me. We all have "eternity in our hearts" questions from childhood until death and it is good to explore that, but in a civil way.

__________________________________________ Try Acharya S (guru) gets her messages and ideas from aliens and UFOs.

Either life HERE ON EARTH has value and god is not benevolent because he stands idly by and lets innocent babies die, or it doesnt have enough value to worry about innocent babies being killed, since there is an afterlife, and therefore we cant hold god accountable. peace axeman...