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>Put your logic primer away from logic >101 class. We've all had the class thank you Ohhh...Longshot, I'm not convinced from the evidence that this is a true statement at all. :-) JB PS. Just for the record, I never did. shhhhhh

>We can both believe in blorgrats, but if a >blorgrat is a tree by your definition and a >blorgrat is a car by mine, who gives >a rats ass. Or a blorgrat's ass for that matter. JB

>And I can't believe you're missing this point: >intricate design, as far as we know, does not >happen w/o outside intelligence. This universe >displays intricate design therefore one can >assume intelligence. I get the point that YOU believe the above statement to be true, but if...

>unless one is so arrogant to assume that he already >has all the answers and has the right to belittle and >demean anyone who does not agree with his position.... Oh, you mean like the christians in general. >And I'm not saying you're in the [this] camp, >but some [] are... And...

>This thread is about arrogant people saying the >scientific evidence does not in any way match >the theistic position. And that's simply not true. Please find me a single post in this thread where someone says the above. There is a world of difference between "it does not in any way...

>Are you suggesting that diehard evolutionary >humanists who spawned the sexual revolution >in our society are now suggesting that evolution >mandates a traditional family? I am suggesting nothing other than what is in the statement. And you aren't answering the question. JB

>lo and behold, kids from a traditional family >do statistically drastically better than their >non-traditional peers in almost every category. >Coincidence? Of course, I say not. You're damn right it's not a coincidence. And that has what to do with a creator or god? Never mind...

>Well, you all I can say is the hundreds of >Christians that I know don't believe in a >Miltonian hell. That's all I can tell you... Yes, continue to endlessly hide behind your "Miltonian hell'. Other than you not a single person here has even hinted at that term let alone bit on it...

>the combination of our eyes and brains >will blow any camera system on planet >earth to shreds I saw Santa Claus land his sleigh on my roof and slide down my chimney and eat cookies and milk and leave gifts under the tree. I guess you won't be needing pictures will you, since my eyes...

>Find me a Christain who believes in a Miltonian hell. It is you who is constantly refering to to "Miltonian hell". I have not once referred to it and have purposefully worded my statements to include all manner of interpretations. I refer only to (various versions) of biblical hell and...

Shoe: >I submit that the references that you are referring >all come from figurative and apochryphal passages >neither of which is used to build core doctrines of >faith and practice. Those "figurative and apochryphal passages" are used every day by hundreds of millions to "build core...

>The only thing I can figure is that it comes >out of a Salem Witch trial, Johnathon Edwards >liberal education... Nope...from the Bible (read it sometime). JB

>I do not know one Christian who believes that >non-blievers are endlessly tortured. Yet atheists >continually insist that is what we believe. Well, we know lots of them so don't be surprised if we continue to insist upon it (and you really should get out more). Separate from that...

>The list goes on and on including the ratio of >proto mass to electron mass, the ratio of total >protons to total electrons, the electromagnetic >coupling constant, molecular energy levels, etc. >And they are discovering many more regarding >the "tuning" of our solar system. The...

Shoe: >Nowhere in the Bible is a "Miltonian" view of hell >as endless torture supported. That is a matter of interpretation, but of course I knew that and worded my statement to take that into account. So...Nowhere in my statement is the "Miltonian" view of hell as endless torture...

>1. Use a simple trend following TA. >2. Limit bet size. >3. Add bets as the market moves in the trade's favor. >4. Have strict exit rules, including those limiting losses. >5. Incorporate the power of diversification to maximize gain. RunningBear: >However the 5 points you outline are...

>If a Christian said this kind of stuff, we'd be labelled >as KKK or Jim Jones What you continually fail to realize is that your belief system says it loudly every moment... "unbelievers will be doomed to (some version of) horrible pain and anguish for all eternity" And you think what...

Spec: >What is it about this universe that makes >it "look like" there was creator? I can honestly >not think of one thing. Shoe: >Because explosions do not lead to well-ordered systems! That wasn't an answer to his question. He didn't ask "why don't you believe in the big bang"...

Shoe: >But when the universe explodes into well-ordered >system, perfectly tuned for carbon-based life, you >say, "Ho hum. Who cares? Happens every day..." You really should get over this notion that the universe is "finely tuned for life". If not factually incorrect, it is at least...

If you continue clicking on the "this item has been relisted" link at the top of the page you will see that he continued raising the price each week (with a note as such near the bottom of the listing) until finally at $650,000 he took it off the market because it was "no longer available". JB