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So if I can find a single example of a pedophile who, through any treatment, genuinely lost his or her attraction to children... then all sexual preferences including sexual orientation can be changed at will? I think you need to be a bit more specific with your "simple logic"... Martin

Haroki, before we get into this further, are you a native English speaker? I'm trying hard not to take offense at your apparently willful, hateful distortion of my statements. Maybe this is just a misunderstanding of the language. Because I never said nor implied what you are claiming. Martin

Uhhhhh... because he's not a scientist, maybe? He's reporting facts discovered by other scientists. Lots of Nobel Peace Prizes are awarded for those who apply scientific principles to further world peace and prosperity. Yunus didn't get a prize in economics, because he is a microcredit...

I'm assuming they are different until proven otherwise. They are completely different behaviors, so the default assumption should be that they have different causes. Obviously if Haroki had scientific evidence for a common genetic factor then that would be a different story, but he doesn't...

Some have... some haven't. So what? That has absolutely zero bearing on the correctness of any argument I have made in this thread. Once you provide some evidence for your assumption that pedophilia and homosexuality are related, then we'll talk. Martin

Ha! Of course I'm being argumentative. You're wrong, so I'm arguing with you. Jeeeeeeez. Martin

Oh for Christ's sake. This is ridiculous. First of all, pedophilia is a socially unacceptable dysfunction, and as a result you have many options to "reform" it which are unnecessary and undesirable for homosexuals. Aversive conditioning, electroshock therapy, voluntary chemical castration...

And my point is that homosexuality and pedophilia are completely different phenomena, so the "logic" behind such a statement is nonexistent. Nothing we learn or decide about homosexuality has any bearing on pedophilia. Whether or not homosexuals can "change their stripes" tells us nothing about...

Of course not! I never said anything like that. Lock them all up for all I care. I think you're the one missing the point of this discussion. It's about gay people remember? Martin

You imply that homosexuality and pedophilia are controlled by the same genetic phenomenon. By conflating the two in a way that is both false and pejorative toward homosexuals, it at least suggests a bigoted attitude. If that wasn't your intent, so much the better. Which sexual "preference"...

Whether or not homosexuality is genetic has NOTHING to do with whether pedophilia is genetic. They are completely orthogonal. Let's say I did a study which found that the sexual preference for blonde haired mates has a genetic basis. Would you conclude on the basis of my study alone that...

The word "preference" contradicts the word "genetic". Either it's a preference or it's genetic, not both. Gay's shouldn't be looked down upon, but the reason has nothing to do with genetics. They shouldn't be looked down upon because they are not inherently harmful to society. First...

Funny you should ask, I was looking into this today. VMware shares outstanding is 382M, the IPO floated 33M, and EMC retains 329M shares (along with 98% of the voting rights). The "stub" of EMC, that is, the old school data storage company minus its stake in VMware, is worth $12.3B at...

Because everyone's got an edge. Trend trading may be your edge, but it's not mine. My edge is being smarter and more patient than momo traders. If you're lucky you might take my money today and tomorrow and the next day. That's OK, because I don't need luck to get my money back somewhere down...

OK turn that around. How much do you think RIMM is actually worth? 150? 175? If it hits 175 is it worth 300? If it hits 300 is it worth 2000? Where would you sack up and go short? Never? PE of 200? P/S of 60? The problem with the mentality on display around here, and apparently the mentality...

SmartMoney, your spreadsheet makes my case beautifully, because in fact at the moment I am paying annual rent of about 4.3% of the market value of the house I am renting. That would be equivalent to $387 monthly rent on your example $107k house. If I plug that into your spreadsheet, there is...

Only given the right entry point, the right initial valuation. If houses are sufficiently expensive relative to rent, buying may never break even. Based on current housing prices and rents in my neighborhood in California, financial analysis involving generous expectations for home price...

Generally speaking, this is correct and renting is usually a poor choice. Generally, the only reason to rent is limited access to capital. However, in much of America and indeed in most of the world today, you can rent properties for <i>far below</i> the mortgage payments, less than half in...

Incidentally CEFs are not designed for yield or to hold bonds or anything like that. CEFs are designed to hold any illiquid assets that cannot easily be traded in an open ended structure. In contrast, open ended funds need to be able to meet redemptions at any time, which is difficult if the...

<i>Closed-ended funds are NOT ETFs. They're a set of investment vehicles usually designed for yield, mainly holding equities and bonds. See www.cefa.com.</i> Well, technically speaking CEFs are exchange traded funds. Somehow "ETF" became a synonym for open end ETFs, and "CEF" became a...