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good planning. do it! the pit session markets are the only tradable stable markets left. keep the pits alive! long live the pits!!

wrong. i dont feel its a scam. my own broker agreed with me. i have also spoken to very famous succesful traders and they have as well. so we're all wrong huh? i guess big brother is right. thanks for the good luck though and happy trading to you.

...and for 5th time "my studies" were based on these 2 sessions as never having 7 minimum flucuations between them. this is the first time thats happened. this is why i used the zb. didnt think the spread would be that far. now that it is i will never trade. it is a total scam.

i hate to tell you this but the point you are refering to in bonds is refered to as a handle. call my broker if you dont beleive me. it makes no diffrence anyway. you get the picture.

you said it bob. i learned the hard way. but the good news the loss wasnt that big is im back and able to fight another day.

i totally agree. in futures you always learn the hard way. i took a loss which wasnt that bad. i could have had more lots on as i said before. however i have had some success trading the eminis while using their bigger brothers like for example using the pit session ranges of the big s&p to...

listen genius. the minimum tick in bonds is 31.25. that is the highest increment of any commodity future that makes it a point. you can call it a point or a tick. it makes no diffrence. this is the way brokers call it. you obviously dont know how to read. i didnt lose $218. learn to read and...

exactly. you're a 100% correct. they are independent. the problem is my broker told me that they move in the same direction and the ranges are the almost the same. boy was he wrong. maybe he didnt know himself untill this debacle. i mean there was always a little bit of a spread. i had instances...

read! i said the exchange are crooks not the broker! the broker is only the guy that converys the trade to the exchange. its the exchange that sets the movement. all my broker did was place the order. the job report had nothing to do with it. i have been trading bonds for years. i monitor the...

umm no you're the "tool" i have traded this market for years and have monitored the pit vs the electronic intraday. NEVER EVER has their been a 7 point spread between these 2 sessions even on the most volitile days. i know it was the unempleyment report. i had a long position and this was a long...

I just wanted to share with all interest rate futures traders a recent unpleasant experience i've had with these terribly organized un tradable electronic markets. what happened here is an absolute disaster. i went long a June bond at 111-10 on April 5th. i placed an order the next day to put a...

they should call them scalped rather scalpers. they are the ones getting scalped by the market, not the other way around.

order entry page meaning the brokers online order entry system.

they all lose. you cant make money scalping. the markets move too fast and by the time you're in and take the time to fill the order page with your limit and stop price its already hit since scalpers are trying to only grab a point or a half of point. it also starts confusion since your under...

hey brown, that is esignal. i know about them already. like i said they are very expensive and their service requires a very fast computer which i dont have. i dont use all that worthless technical junk like moving averages. i just need the streaming price bars. thats it.

these guys are big wigs and got inherited gelt. they never made money day trading s&p's and making it on their own.

that would require me to close my account with my current brokerage firm whom i like and open an account with them just to get a web based charting service? i dont know if it would be worth it but thanks.

but thats the thing i dont want platforms. they are software based and have bugs. i have been trying a platform recently called sierra charts and got the data feed from open tick. it was terribly flawed and was getting invalid data. it was freezing up too. i am looking for web/java based...

i sampled a few but they are kind of pricey and some were unreliable. anyone have experience with a reliable web based real time charting services for the eminis? i dont need any fancy stuff like esignal. just live bar charts for eminis. would appreciate any recommendations.

good point....lol i have one better. let all those system sellers and book writers post their tax returns to see how much they made. they are the ones that not only claim they are making money but want to make money off ppl by selling their bunk.