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with pleasure, Cubano! Quote from AAAintheBeltway: Iraqi TV has been spewing lies that are eagerly fed to Arab world by Al Jazeera and other irresponsible Arab media. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote from El Cubano: I don't...

Firstly, Buzz, if the "oil BS is FALSE", then that simply helps support MY position! That the US should have just never gotten involved in the Mid East (or anywhere else, for that matter) in first damn place! But of course, it simply UNDENIABLE that the very reason that the US instigated...

Yes, with all the suicide preparations being made, with thousands of Arabs pouring into Iraq to defend its sovereignty, I'm sure surrender is precisely what they have in mind.

Wait a minute, Al Jazeera is an Arabic news network, not "Iraqi TV". Please don't conflate the two. Cubano, please don't go for the same low blows of your compatriots by questioning my ability to think clearly based simply on my age. Of course I don't know EXACTLY how the world works...

Buzzy, it doesn't actually matter what "all" Americans think, or even what the majority of Americans think, or, hell, even what a sizeable chunk of Americans think. It matters what the Americans with the power to actually DO these things think. Now, ask yourself, who are those folks?

Buzz, I have asked myself that question. The answer I keep forming is that things probably would have been a lot damn better. Certainly for Americans. Of that there can be little doubt. Yes, America being in the middle east is most certainly, absolutely, positively about the oil...

Cubano, the fact that you actually consider what is, believe it or not, a respected news organization, in need of being "taken out", is a bit worrisome. Do you really think that ALL they do is air propaganda? Or is your definition of propaganda anything that conflicts with your own domestic...

My "premise" huh? You mean it's not veritable fact? :) But I wouldn't be so quick to jump to your conclusion. The fact is, the state of affairs at the end of the 80s was VERY MUCH a result of US policy towards the region, and Iraq in particular. What you essentially have, is a US...

I'm not a real person Mondo? I'm just a mindless automaton hammering away at the keyboard? Funnily enough, whether I am or not, I am still bringing up the pertinent facts of reality as they relate to the current state of world affairs. You might try doing the same.

Max, could you please answer the question "do you expect me to think that the US could not have had the sanctions lifted"? Geez, as the world's biggest economy, it could have just traded with Iraq and completely ignored the UN sanctions -- it has shown absolutely no compunction to flaunting...

You are truly pathetic Oopsinal. I have noticed the same pattern of behaviour in other debates that you run out of answers on. I have answered every single one of your evasive "responses". The very tactics you accuse me of are the very same ones -- to a tee -- you have engaged in...

And the motto of conservative blowhards is "if you can't answer them intelligently, just call them lefties".

WTF? Buzzy, if ANYONE changed the subject dude, it was YOU.

Buzzy, I'm not "crying over" the native Americans, just pointing out that the callous nature of these exploits has been transmogrified into a symbolism of American culture that completely ignores its callous nature. It was meant as a barb, not the as the body of my contention. I actually...

Oh, so now all of a sudden the UN counts huh? Still, are you going to try and tell me that had the US wanted the sanctions lifted they couldn't have arranged it? As I recall, it was the US that was quite dogmatic about keeping them -- inspite of all the humanitarian opposition. (LOL...

Toby, That link requires joining the group. Couldn't you just cut and paste the article here?

Oh yes, like the great Englishman General Custer.

And if the civillian body count exceeds that and happens to reach the death toll of innocent civillians at the hands of the US sanctions, call me.

D.Hedge, you're saying this based on what? I, through my family, happen to know quite a lot of people that are, you know, "in the industry". It's a VERY different picture. Sure, you can quote me Soros, Niederhoffer, Tudor Jones, but those guys are exception, not the rule.

Oops, forgot to add my punchline. Here it is: That "Cowboys and Indians" has become such a treasured piece of Americana is as incomprehensible to me as watching children learn to play "Gestapo und Juden" would be for a German.