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And I'm glad you've finally come around to my point of view Mondo:D The entire piece is exactly my point. Iraq requires a lot of help if they're going to succeed with democracy.

I never said that democracy doesn't work. It just doesn't work when the society won't let it. For example, when the society starts to panic in the face of war, economic troubles, tribal tensions, etc. I'm glad you've asked a question that will allow you to understand... There are many reasons...

:D I don't think the election was fixed, but the popular vote did go to Gorebot. Bush lost to the biggest loser the Crats could have thrown at him (minus teddy K.). And I didn't say that Saddam was democratically elected, but you did have the figures in one of your previous posts. Hitler was...

Let it be known that Mondo will not enter into a real debate on democracy. You are amusing though:D I think that you may be a little on the conservative side of the spectrum Mondo... and it's funny that you won't debate the merits of a system you believe so strongly in. But that's Ok.

Some in the later group believe that GW was elected as well:D

You're priceless:D Just for kicks, and to try to stay on this thread's purpose, please tell us how you've come to the conclusion that democracy is better than ANY other form of government in ALL cases. If you can't do that, we'll understand. It's probably something you can't come up with...

You're an interesting guy Mondo... it's like you've formed a dam in your mind that stops logical thought from reaching the processing centers of the brain. Let me walk you through my point... If we follow your logic that democracy works better than any other political system, then Hitler...

You're missing the point completely Mondo. Some Dictatorships can be better than some Democracies. Some Communist states can be better than some Democracies. Some Socialist states can be better than some Democracies. It's all according to what type of society is implementing the system...

Democracy in Iraq (immediately after Saddam) might be dangerous Mondo. If you look at the way our public's feelings are molded by the media (and we're suppossedly the educated ones), just think of how a population of people with a third grade education will react to propaganda. Everyone...

Yeah, because that was a long time ago and stuff.

Here you are aphex... I'm not sure if he'll be too talkative though. If you need directions, here they are... http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&GRid=691&CRid=89080&

Yes, please... just criticise it. It's more fun:D "Don't be a fool and die for your country. Let the other sonofabitch die for his." George S. Patton This might be a little off topic, but how about this... let's take over the entire country except Baghdad. Then we'll start a barbeque...

Yes :D Predisposition plus the dumbass could have filed a civil suit, made some money, and tortured the perpetrator for the rest of his days. That's enough for me, as a would-be juror, to recommend the death penalty. Then again, we shouldn't execute the mentally challenged. I retract my yes...

If only Mondo had a time machine:D We'd live in a utopia.

Ok... http://www.talkleft.com/archives/001893.html The point is that the poor, once arrested for a crime, have almost no chance of receiving competent lawyers. This is due to a number of factors that we can debate all day, but as long as the system is broken we can't keep killing people...

Oh well... kill him then. But you have to agree that the cost of housing criminals is way too high when prisoners can't pay for their own way. And as for the overall question, most would rather have 0 innocents die than a million guilty with 1 innocent... especially if you're the one innocent...

You're right about people's true colors showing up. My point is that true leaders lead regardless of polls. Bush should have done this earlier, with or without the UN, and he shouldn't have pulled any of his punches along the way. I think he waited until the poll numbers moved far enough in his...

Why would Blair call the bluff??? He's the leader of the Labour Party in the UK (he's a lefty). The left ends up looking good either way because they still win the economy debate after the war is over. The left opposes this crappy economy more than the invasion. The invasion is a sure thing...

Make him work too... he's a healthy kid. More can be gained from having a productive prisoner than a dead killer.

And give the prisoners jobs that contribute to society why they're working on their next appeal. Something like road cleanup would be appropriate. In fact, you could even have the state turn a profit if you employed enough prisoners. Why not have them make shirts instead of lifting weights and...