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Absolutely... and look at the most recent example of leaving a little to early... Afghanistan. We're already letting that one get away from us. Not to mention that the Kurds are still a little skeptical after the same thing happened to them in 91. Seems like they all have a reason to be...

ROFL!!!:D :D :D TM... I agree... there is absolutely no reason why the Iraqi troops would try this tactic... especially in clearing weather conditions. Maybe if there was still an intense sandstorm it would even the playing field a bit (from a 35-1 kr to 34-1), but either way it's obviously...

LOL!!!:D

As usual, Mondo is short on specifics.

Do you have a computer that spits this stuff out? It's amazing. You haven't made a single point on this thread that makes anyone want to change their position on democracy, the history of democracy, or it's potential applications in Iraq. And students aren't a part of society? How does that work?

You may be right, but politicians would then be required to become more familiar with the issues and constituencies. I think that we'd get better legislation out of the deal as well as more accountability. We might even get rid of the career politicians. The way I look at it, if a politician's...

In that case, do you want msfe or madison to translate it into Mondo speak? I don't want you to fall behind.

What makes you think I hate democracy? I'm for direct democracy in most cases. Especially with today's technology, there isn't a reason why the citizenry can't decide many issues on their own. And "the masses are asses" is a quote that summarizes the fact that letting the passions of the...

Yep... the masses are asses. But I still think that a culture of involvement would be more easily created if people saw that their voting decisions were implemented directly. I think that interest groups that don't have the backing of megacorps (ie: money to spend) are starting to learn that...

Such anger:confused: The issues are frequency of referendums, not whether they exist, and transparency... namely, not as much pork in legislation. Read the link(s).

Great post msfe. If we had another constitutional convention I'd vote for this form of government over the one we currently have. If we amended our current form, the best way to fix the problems would be to have some form of comprehensive campaign/lobbying reform and have all elections fall...

You're right... just forms of democracy. The only true democracies can be found in some townships and tribes where the size of the population can fit into a room and vote. And as long as the electoral college is in place, we'll never have a truly democratic presidential election.

I understand your point of view roe, and that's what I meant when I said all he needed was a 2/3 vote. And yes, there were party officials lining the corridors and eliminating or, at the very least, intimidating the representatives that were left. The Weimar constitution was one of the weakest...

All I'm saying is that the Reichstag was so fragmented at that time that they had to appoint a chancellor, and the appointment was the de facto electorial process of the Weimar Republic once the citizens of Germany elected their representatives. It's sort of like giving the Senate or House...

Now I get it:-) Thanks Madison.

The point is that "democracy" can take many forms. Technically, Hitler was "elected" because the system of government required the Reichstag with their coalition politics to make someone chancellor. He then pushed through the Enabling Act, effectively making him a dictator (he only needed a 2/3...

Not to be disrespectful, but if you look at the blood on the floor in those rooms, does it make you think that maybe these guys were injured POWs that were shot in the head later? It looks like just one shot to the heads of most of the Americans.

3... POSSIBLY 4 Polish "Special" Forces troops. Did Poland sign on to this war without a sign-on bonus from the US in either aid or trade concessions? I'm not sure:confused:

Absolutely correct. That's why our bill of rights and constitution provide ground rules. The whole reason why our country was created was to allow us to have the freedoms we didn't have in England. The more important question is what kind of democracy is installed in Iraq. The only problem...

You're wrong once again. History and geography were all on the side of the US, the UK, and France. Democracy evolved in England (over a thousand years) and France (also over a thousand years) because they were sick of monarchies and the US was a function of running away from the crown in...