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I define the Designer as existing on a higher plane; this definition is an unavoidable product of the analogy. Other than that I'm merely including The Designer in the class of designers and 'designers' is a word that exists by way of its definition. It's impossible to discuss any entity...

I'd comment here, but you and Z appear to have a nasty relationship going and I have no desire to appear to be siding against you.

I'm not defining the Designer except as that which has ( or may have ) a relationship with us similar to the relationship we have with our creations. If this is a definition of the Designer it's about as minimal as a definition can get while still making a point. So go ahead - what is...

In the absence of a Designer evolution would only appear to have purpose; in the absence of a purposeful entity there can be no purpose.

I'm just suggesting here that the ID proponent has a legitimate out from having to explain the nature of the Designer. The debate needn't be held up by this particular hurdle because it's an easy one to step around without going off the track.

The Design supporter presents the apparent design in the world as prima-facie evidence for a Designer. The onus is on the anti-Design side to provide controverting proof.

Re the "Designer problem": Designer can't be understood by Designed ( We can't understand our Designer ). We humans can design computers. While many humans can understand the most sophisticated computer no computer can understand any human. This is because the human is on a higher...

Master of understatement.

So Jesus chose an altered state in which his divine knowledge was nullified so that he could know the world in the same illusional way we do. Why would Jesus want to do this? How was this a gift to himself? Also, how would a divinely knowledgeable entity devise a scheme that would deceive...

It's certainly a good example of the compatibility of the two principles. Included in the original overall design is a formula for a specifically appropriate process of evolution. But what is this, KJ? Are you being a tad snide or is it that you accept the possibility of Design? .

The higher up the political hierarchy you go the more complex and inapplicable the truth becomes. Politicians have to say something and the truth is not anything anyone wants to hear or can understand; all that's left is simplistic misrepresentation. Ron Paul's stand for the...

What's the purpose of this deception?

I wanted to get back to this KJ because I think the consciousness issue is of primary importance here. I need clarification of the definition of consciousness you're using - namely "consciousness defined as a highly ordered state of being" . Is 'being' mere existence ( a rock, a dewdrop...

Maybe the issues being lied about were on hugely different levels, but Clinton lied so easily and so cynically to an entire nation. Maybe he wasn't a megalomaniac but he was definitely a slimeball. There hasn't been a statesman in the presidency since.. since when?

There were problems making democracy work back in Athens when the voting population was <200,000; America's population is about 1500 times that. There's no way democracy can have meaning on such a gigantic scale. Democracy works best on a local level. The powers of the central...

Good luck with this one. To you the question may seem simple but I doubt that anyone on this planet can answer it convincingly.

Get serious. He can't be outraged by something horrendous occurring in his community until he controls the president?

Unfortunately for the average black person many of those Many are in politics at some level or other thriving on the business of racial conflict.

Maybe off topic but I like it. America is not a democracy; in a democracy power is vested in the people and that ain't the way it is.

Too late. He was grabbed by the CIA this afternoon. They want to know too.