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After I posted this, anyone who wanted had 4 TRADING DAYS to enter long at less than 3% of the target price the exact exit was called to the point, 1501 on SPX I dont even watch the dow for one second of any day of any year, I don't care where its trading.... so if I posted on the DOW its...

well, I hope someone made money off my stats target of 1501 was hit today, with lots of time to spare the probably of success on this setup for a 3% move is now 90% and a 1% move is 100% I will revive the thread in a year or 2 from now when the setup probably arises again

ok, so basically you all saying thye worked their model on the price of an asset moving around, up and down.... but they were counting on fair value of the asset being X but now that the whole market has found out that the value of the asset is nowhere near what they all thought, there is...

it sounds kind of interesting, but i dont get it (seriously).... can you put it in plain english?

open ecry charge an "overnight fee" on open positions, which on my account was amounting to an annual rate of about 4% what a rip

where is the best place to pull the data from? especially the historical data?

i was completely amazed you can be sure his banking buddies in that little elite circle are going to tear him a new one in addition id wager money within 12 months he is out of a job

ok so ignoring Jim Cramer, who actually thinks this giant mess can sort itself out without any intervention? we are heading right towards a giant liquidity freeze, housing meltdown, stock market crash, dollar devaluation and out of control inflation, joblessness, and probably depression, all...

he is the worst whatever he says he does the exact opposite

ok, so how can you possibly turn that into profits makes no sense still, its random, it will trend as much as it will chop and then u have commissions to factor in, as well as bid/ask spread

I have no idea? 1) double or nothing? 2) cheat? 3) knock them out and steal their wallet?

sigh so much talking from the random believers and not a single answer to all those who believe that the markets are random: how can you possibly trade them and make money? it makes absolutely no sense! what methodology or theory allows you to overcome odds where your returns are not...

ok, so if you can't beat the underlying, I am assuming you are saying you can beat a derivative of the underlying, such as futures or options based on the underlying?

how can anyone make money in a market that is completely random, especially when you factor in commission? its like predicting a coin toss but with less than 50% odds, as you have commission to deal with? can you give us an example of how the firm you work for overcomes this and prints money?

if you read any of the studies on brownian motion related to financial markets, you will discover that the action of financial markets is in fact NOT random as the model predicts.... there are fat tails instead.... so, perhaps not everyone can just print money using this concept eh?

how could you possibly make money in a completely random market? I dont understand how? please explain the concept of any trading system that you think could pull this off....... once you factor in commission you are dead in the water on a completely random market

here we go, 1501 coming that was the bottom today, for a relief rally within 12 trading days to 1501 target

you forgot choice 5 "im already long and possibly going to have to kiss my own ass goodbye" lol

have your friend run his "sim" against the feb (or was it march??) 2007 50 point drop in the SPX (in one day) then come back and tell us the results

lets see how this goes.... but so far, the trading stats are playing out I posted on friday seem to be playing out 3 weeks to reach 1501, good start on day 1 hehehe and the 1% hurdle has already been met so the 9/9 now becomes 10/10 for the 1% hurdle