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Forget about spreads and all the other traditional methods being taught, you need to look at it from a different angle and use prudent risk management that goes against what you know.

Here it is.. I worked it out. You go long at say 10.50 and have short OTM short calls at say 12 and you also short at 10.50 and have OTM short puts at say 9. As the UL goes up you take off your long for a win and leave your short which is now losing, you keep both options as a hedge. Now...

There is so much you can do if you start thinking outside the box and stop adhering to old school principles that everyone flocks to like lemmings. OP, keep thinking like this and your edge will come.

So waht would you charge me for investing and how much can I expect to make?

that seems to be the gist of it. Spoke with him yesterday, the stocks he trades are usually rangebound with small movements. He says theres the occationally big moves which can work well also and if it goes uni-directional then he'll take the loss on the losing side while continuing to trade the...

What does a hedge fund charge and what returns can one expect to make?

I've taken many different courses overtime and have come to conclusion that if you have to sell it then it ain't any good.

Yep that pretty much it and some secret sauce strategy to turn the loser into a winner with short ITM options. Dont ask me how though.

I dont know the mechanics behind his system but from what I can fathom he takes lots of small wins on both sides througout the day as the market moves about. He has a set point whereby he doesn't let the difference between the short and long go past as he doesn't want the difference to be too...

I know a trader who has been doing this for years and is apparently very profitable. He goes long and short the same instrument but uses short options to create a boxed hedge. The only downfall is how wide the difference is in the UL between the long and short, if it gets too far apart one side...

Understood.

I don't get it ? AUY wasn't on his list and what does 0 mean anyways.

I hear ya there. The thing that bothers me about Yamana is the unpredictable way it behaves, can't seem to get a handle on it as sometimes it moves with gold and other times it goes with the market. It's as if there is no real reasoning behind it's movements or maybe it's just that it gets...

I like it long term even though it's done nothing for years and theres obviously some funny buisness going on with the way it behaves, however the fundamentals are good and theres a solid base around $16 for a push to maybe 17.50 but 25 ?? How is it that you can make such a statement like 25...

With Gold down and the market falling AUY didn't fair too bad, however with RSI high and above it's 50 dma it looks overbought. I still like it for a push up to $17. What do others think?

Thanks spin. That makes sense. A trader I met uses this as his primary strategy, tried to remmember the mechanics of it but this is all I could remmember.

covered straddle comes to mind but with the extra call, thought maybe somekind of ratio.

long stock (100) -ATM calls (10) -OTM calls (10) -OTM puts (10)

I haven't been using it all that much recently except for the graphs and Greeks as I don't trade alot of options these days. When I first started using it about 3 years ago everything was fine. Then glitches in prices started to appear every now and then so I would contact the administrator...

Was using OO for years, still can't believe it's free.