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I guess nothing. I was just hoping there was a fancier way to expose myself to unlimited downside potential for less that $7/share.

If i think that Obama will win the US election, and start pillaging XOM and other profitable oil companies, what is the best way to set myself up to profit from a downward move, while protecting myself from an upwards move? My best thought so far was Long 1x shares, short 1x 95 or 100 calls...

10 cents per 1000 shares clearing. I believe capped at 38 cents max per trade. SEC 15.30/million sold ACT fee 7.5 cents/1000 shares sold. Gateways normal ecn fees, although they are higher on the nsdq tiers.

Jesus... your like the Borg. Resistance is futile... I give up...

You cant POSSIBLY support WTS at .0002/100% when you are trashing LLC's offering .003/100%. ?!?!

Yes Don, from what I have heard CK is a talkative guy that is happy to help guide people in the right direction, if thats what you mean then good on ya!

I also can not decipher the code in this thread. DB knows CK and PB well enough to know their special behind the scenes business?! Go get a desk job at Omega? .....

BAC CFC pairs trade really blows nuts.... not worth it ;)

and you made 500k/day ?! :P

I dont disagree that LLC's are scary, but I'm not the one who needs this advice (luckly). I work at a company that owns their own B/D, and does everything 100% legal, and is 100% registered. I dont get 100% of my pay. I pay well to be legal. See my post in "When to negotiate rates?". I...

I dont work at any of the above firms, so i dont know, but you need to understand that no one gives a crap. You get rates, you get paid, end of story.

Also, im talking remote, not in an office. Offices cost money.

At 5m volume, not 2m. JC trading, every genesis LLC (im guessing Cy Group, BCF), Golden, Echotrade. I would bet most Assent LLC's. (no one has .002 All in, everything is passed through)

Ya but i cant call bear sterns, or goldman and get a prop deal. Thats comparing apples to mexican jumping beans. Im still not sure we are talking about the same things. The fact remains you can call any LLC and get .002 / 100% on 5million shares a month.

if your correct, then trading companies are the next subprime mortgage lenders. Every LLC i can think of works on a 1 price model. They pay X per share and X per month to the broker dealer they work for. They then know their costs, and charge accordingly to the traders. That is why i so...

WTF... lol .003 or less covers clearing fees only. Software fees always come out of profits. Passthroughs always come out of profits. SEC fees always come out of profits. Do you even trade? IB charges .005 ALL IN. So if you take out the SEC, passthroughs, and software fees, OF...

Did you watch the Superbowl?!?!

BCF is reputable and should not be discussed in the same sentence as HLV. I have 2 friends that have worked there for years with no issues. Paid on time and help is a phone call or skype message away at all times.

1. Can you please let me know what instruments can I trade with Title Trading (i.e. equities, options, e-mini futures, commodities, etc.) and exchanges available? Equities, Nasdaq amex and nyse 2. Do we have to close out our positions at the end of the day or can we carry them...

Im very happy working at Title Trading. Yes i give up a decent chunk to them, but I personally think it is worth it though. I trade with over 30 million intraday buying power, have basically no stop out (not supergay MPP like swift), pay basically 0 commission, have no deposit with them...