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2000 was the start of the current secular <B>bear</B> market. We will finish this below the Mar 2009 lows..

November 2007?

You said it

Never been married myself. The obvious hopelessness of trying to predict the future based on the present has prevented me from doing so.

C'mon, who hasn't married a nice, sweet girl only to see her turn nasty 20 years later?

That makes sense :)

Theft, insider trading and political connections

I'm sorry, but how can any normal person living in a Western country not manage to save up $10K?

November 2007?

Bear market rallies can make all time highs, too.

I think 1973/74 is the best analogy. A massive liquidity driven bubble led to collapse throughout '74.

Fed 2013 = Internet 2000

I'm very sorry Mr Surf, but the instance of blowing up clearly demonstrates that you don't know what you're doing. A <i>drawdown</i> is perfectly acceptable and a part of normal trading. Investors should button their lip and simply put up with these. However, when something happens that you...

Ah, now I understand. You want investors who are rich dummies. That makes sense :)

Yes, just like the way the new economy stocks were only ever going to go up in 2000, for as long as there's the internet, we'll keep chugging upwards. You sound more like a hare than a tortoise :)

Luck runs out and talent always fails you at the wrong time. I personally would choose <i>managing risk</i> over either of those two.

IMO any trader who blows up EVEN ONCE, EVER should be permanently demoted to the back office. Of course, this is an industry in which well connected mediocrities thrive, so I doubt that will ever happen.

Surf, if there is one message you could take away from this thread, it is that PTJ's approach to trading is pretty much the TOTAL OPPOSITE to what VN does. Are we communicating here?

The fact that so many bozos think there is zero risk actually means there is COLOSSAL downside risk.

Marketsurfer is a groupie. His ears are closed, la la la LA LA LA..