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Maybe they are doing a statistical test like the Turtles in the 80ies...

Yes, it is real trading. The order goes to the exchange. You know this when your order creates an impact in the market, ie. the MM moves the price accordingly. The only difference is that on my side the prices are with offsets, at IB they add/remove that offset. It seems I'm trading a real IB...

The demo system I'm using is IMO real, it just uses some offsets in the prices (on user-side).

Well, FYI: I live in Europe, 6 hours difference to US ET timezone... So, yes I can be wrong on the given times, sorrry.

Hmm. yes the calculation gives a total of only 16 hours/day, but my experience via the broker IB is 23.5 hours/day. There is only a half hour window where the system disconnects the client and doesn't allow login for 30 minutes (23:50 - 00:20 ET). As stated in the wiki article, Extended...

Thanks for the link, IMHO very informative. But it also writes this: "Extended hours trading on a day with a session that is not interfered with is from 4 a.m. - 9:30 and 3:59 - 8 p.m. EST." Ie. in total it is very well 23 to 24h trading. (actually it is 23.5 hours; 30 minutes are needed...

You seem to be a total newbie in stocks and markets issues. Take a look for example to this page and try to guess what the field "After Hours: 192.07 N/A (N/A) 4:18am ET" there might mean...: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=AAPL

The markets are open 24h/day, also on weekends. I know that not much of the people know that. There is the regular trading hours (RTH) and the rest is AfterMarket hours or BeforeMarket hours etc., but practically it is 24h trading.

M is the NYSE ticker of the company MACSYS INC (Industry: Consumer, Cyclical). The stock price moves, but the options of it have stopped moving. It can also be problem at my broker (IB), but since all others I looked at are working fine then it is a little bit mysterious why M has stopped...

Right now it looks like that the Market Maker of the ticker M has frozen all option prices! None of the about 33 strikes for Dec18'09 and Jan15'10 changes its price, although the underlying is moving.... That's another kind of market manipulation and a dirty trick by the Market Makers...

The following can be added to the list: - The Market Maker also remembers your stop loss marks (ie. SL percents)! And revisits these marks if it is in his favor! Ie. you better should make your SL/TSL/TGT dynamic... - Watch the spread! The Market Maker is present on both sides of...

Wrong! They do it especially if you go for larger moves! It depends only on how much profit you are going to make. They calculate how much in absolute numbers your profit would be. Ie. they even won't give you 1% profit because it is $1000 of a $100k position. They try their dirty tricks to...

I have been retail trader with a small account (less than 20k) for several years, I did it in my spare time (ie. after coming home from work), then 2 years ago I started to study the markets deeply and intensively, and have written an automation program which has its own brain (ie. decision...

Yes, exactly that's it! I'm a daytrader, keeping a position not longer than neccessary. I'm neither scalper nor shortterm (seconds/minutes) trader, my positions usually last less than an hour, but sometimes it can also take several hours, it all depends on the said MMs...

I trade 24h/day using automation and also manual trading.

I trade mainly stocks and their options. My positions are about 50k to 150k big, so you can imagine what dirty tricks the MMs try to not to give any profit to the trader... For example today I traded mostly options of COP, KIM, OXY, BAC. But it is not specific to any single instrument, I made...

From my experiences and observations I conclude the following facts: 1.) Prices are made by the Market Maker himself, not by supply&demand! 2.) The Market Maker is a thief who always tries to steal your money by forcing you to sell with a loss. 3.) The Market Maker uses dirty tricks...

I think I understand what you mean :-)

For me the IB Demo is real market participation, but the prices (for the user) are with some offsets. Your orders go to the exchange (offset stripped off) and have an impact on the market, otherwise I wouldn't be able to "interact" with the Market Maker as described in previous posting! And: it...

I would say you are indeed an idiot because you even don't understand the topic and reason of this thread. If I had capital of my own then there wouldn't be this thread, if I had track data of real trading account then I would have posted them. Logic seems to be not your strength, isn't it...