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I see a profitable spread between SPX and INDU. I'll have to check whether the opportunity exists between ES and YM. I cannot afford to trade the baskets, so if there is no spread betwen ES and YM I won't be able to profit from the spread between SPX and INDU. Good point. I will add ES and YM to...

OK. I'll look into ES vs. YM, knowing that winning more trades than I lose depends on getting the direction of the spread right. I am not worried about losing on a trade, because of the correlation. It's hedged, however imperfectly -- if not for the imperfection of the hedge it wouldn't be...

Exactly. Trading this way lets me be in the market and do my day job, too, without worrying about every twitch the market makes. There may be greater potential with NQ vs. ES and some others -- I will look into it. I latched onto ES vs. Ym, because the value of the contracts is close for one...

Yeah, I suspect that it isn't necessary to close the trade by end of day.

Yeah, that is one of the big risks here: failure to leg into the trade. I am going to have to check whether the "spread" only closes when the market moves fast or only becomes wide when the market moves fast -- slippage could be a problem. I am sure that it might be difficult to do this sort of...

Ah, you've restored my faith in ET, so I'll proceed. I've sampled the dow and s&p at times, for several days, intraday, at yahoo's web site and observed this phemomenon. I am a doubter, though. So, I've started collecting data via IB's API, collecting SPX and INDU and confirmed that this...

Why are you laughing? I don't mind -- laughing is good for you. Do you think that they are not correlated? It seems to me that if they are correlated, except when they're not, that there is an "edge" -- a market inefficiency -- there when they become uncorrelated.

I've gone to the yahoo.com finance page (from the main page, click on the markets link). If you go there, you'll see that you can get a graph of the nasdaq, dow, and s&p indices (they seem to show the nasdaq and dow by default, so I mouse over s&p to see that one). What I see is some...

Ha, ha , ha! Will rate cuts help? Since they've started cutting rates the market has been going DOWN! Sure, you get a bounce at each rate cut -- sell into that bounce -- but then the market goes down some more. There are actually people, believe it or not, who look at FUNDAMENTALS. After the...

The site is non-degradable.

Yeah, I want S&P as low as 750. That will let me fill my long-term acct. with some good buys. INTC at $15, anyone? Bring it on!

Tired of the IRS? You must rise up! Revolt! Throw those chains off!

I read somewhere, today, that GS removed GOOG from one of their indices/holdings, because it had gone down enough -- about 14% -- to hit their stop loss! Are GS loosers?

1929 was a global event.

How will you make any money only realizing losses?

yeah, jack & spyder come to mind ;-)

b-b-but McCain was born before 1903, right?

Yeah, look at price/rent ratio historical values. They do support the idea that there could be a 30% decrease at recent prices. But if rents go up while prices drop, it may not be that much. The real killer is the comps, when a REO sells for less than comparables in the neigborhood. Look...

Mortgage apps are up, for refis. Wait until building permits increase, then wait for actual starts to increase. That *may* signal a bottom.

Why didn't you complain about all the "100% up room to go" posts ? You will get a positive attitude by joining the bears. Don't worry. Be happy.