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I gather you don't like gays. You're obviously some sort of American homophobic redneck. I don't know what you're doing on an options discussion forum. You should really contribute to the neo nazi site - you'd fit in beautifully there, darling. hugs and kisses xxx daddy's boy

Thank you. Very elegant. daddy's boy

WaneL Unlike you, I'm here to learn. So kindly tell me the following: What's a tosspot? What's asf? And how do you know that antiadhominem is all those other handles? daddy's boy

Hey wayneL What anti ad hominem said is easily verifiable. I don't know what your beef is with optionetics. So why not be a good little chap and stop posting your onesided biased garbage? I'm getting a little tired of it. What a way to start the new year, geez. daddy's boy P.S. does...

Sometimes things backfire. This from the optionetics board: "12/31/06 6:56 PM Posts: 913 Registered: Sep 2001 12/31/06 6:56 PM Btw Richard, this was a great discussion but there was no need to delete all of chicago trader's posts - YOU COULD HAVE LEFT THE ONES THAT HAD NO FOUL LANGUAGE...

I think that you may well have hit the nail on the head. Without 'proper' management (whatever that means) the collar is no better than the vertical. If you hold them both to expiry then there certainly is no difference whatsoever. If you manage the collar poorly it may well be worse than the...

Look here Mav, you say: "What is in their mind has some validity but they are not explaining and defending the concept correctly" Give me a break, please. You've gone from claiming that their stuff is total bullshit and you were going to talk to their CEO to get them fixed, to now saying...

Geez man, it was meant to be tongue-in-cheek! They respect noone unless they come from an optionetics background or are endorsed by optionetics. daddy's boy

Looks like everyone is enjoying their New Year's eve, except for you and me, Mav. We're the only ones left posting, lol. See you next year. All the best daddy's boy

Thanks for the link Mav. I see the following on wikipedia: "Put-call parity only holds for American options, if they are not exercised early." This seems to imply that p/c parity doesn't hold if there is early exercise. Which seems to give collars a little edge compared to the vertical. You...

I agree with you - I don't like their banning policy either. Daddy's boy

That's a little harsh. I did my best to follow the discussion and the conclusions, which wasn't that easy. The conclusion: you believe you are right and mendoza/kramer et al believe they are right, especially after the example with the european exercise. I see what I see, not what I want to...

Synthetically equivalent to an otm fly and otm long call. Slingshot hedge is a reasonable alternative to the bull spread. Or just use the married put to really let your upside run. Or roll the short call at the appropriate time. As usual, it all comes down to what you expect the underlying to do...

To be honest, I have learned far more from posts and articles (free) on the optionetics site (also free) than from ones on ET. However, ET provides another perspective, which is also very valuable. I'm not sure why waynel is so hostile towards optionetics. After all it's just another learning...

I think they were being cheeky. Btw has anyone seen Mav anywhere - he seems to have disappeared whilst they're taking the mickey out of him! I'd like to go and help him defend himself against those big nasty bullies/ex MM's, but don't really know what to say :). He seems a little outnumbered...

I'm not so sure. They've got some pretty sharp guys. daddy's boy

Man, it's getting nasty at Kramer's optionetics board! Even Alex Mendoza is chipping in and throwing out challenges. They just won't admit that collars are the same as verticals and are now issuing a $5000 challenge. This is a great way to end the year, fireworks and all! :D daddy's boy

Chicago trader? Cool, I'll be following the 'discussion' closely :). Good luck! daddy's boy

You can now see the source of my confusion Mav. The link below should take you to the discussion board, but be warned, you'll encounter heavy resistance :): http://www.optionetics.com/forums/topic.asp?fid=191&id=42699 and also http://optionetics.com/market/articles/article.asp?id=15510...

Maverick wrote: " A collar cannot be superior to it's synthetic equivalent for one simple reason, MARGIN!!!!! In a retail account, anytime you buy long stock, you are killing your ROI." That's exactly what was bugging me, yet some continue to argue that the collar is superior to the synthetic...