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Sometimes, not sure this is that time. But what I found amusing is the way this one went. Nitpicking the use of the word "avoidal"?!!? Sounds a bit petty. Ah, the middle-school lunchroom... good times! This is what you meant by your caution against debating "retirees and wealthy people"...

Thread went off the rails from the very first reply. Have to wonder about this place.

I don't get my ethical framework from politicians and I don't think morals are ordinal. If you think Kamala is somehow a better option than Trump that's absolutely your right newwurldmn :thumbsup:

False dilemma... find another hobby snookums.

As I said, your words would carry more weight without the insolence. Unfortunately, any substance you offer is decimated by your boorish delivery. So, you first have to behave in a civil manner, and then we can discuss the more sophisticated issues. I'm offering you some help sweetie pie...

This is spin, perspective... whatever you want to call it. If trump where "ambiguous" in the same way he'd be in court for disenfranchising the voters ;) Let the coward speak for himself. Beck is nothing but an impudent rascal and his words don't carry any significance as far as I'm concerned...

Your point is very well taken. What I'll say is that, as you observe, arms[rifles] are mentioned and so there obviously can't be as much debate in that regard. Should a license be required, IDK... ok, maybe. Leave that hassle to the state. OTOH, abortion per se is not mentioned and so it's much...

If you want a conversation, try unblocking me coward. Otherwise... go ahead, cry, scream, and rant whatever you want. I don't think you're helping yourself in the later case though. Imagine, you and @TheDawn are the same caliber of person child. Infinite gamma beck, infinite gamma; that's you.

Apparently that's her strategy; to be misleading ambiguous. How delightful and trustworthy! Dems come out and tell you they're lying directly to your face, and then complain about Trump?!? "The pot calls the pan burnt-arse" "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and...

Even the darling of the left had problems w/ Roe: ginsburg-offers-critique-roe-v-wade Poopy... as a troll, coward, and impudent rascal you should be hiding in shame. Honestly.

I could but won't argue, because I know you're firm in your position @newwurldmn. That said... there are a whole lot of people in middle America who don't see things like that and I can't blame them. As far as giving Trump more blame than Obama... they give Biden even more blame; since he...

Straight up ad hominem attack and the other side says the same exact thing, lol. I'm glad you take some comfort in banding together w/ @newwurldmn though. Perspective matters so much I'm not sure it's possible to be objective about this stuff. Indeed, it's mostly a subjective matter...

Even if this were wholly true, which it isn't because it's a relative matter subject to perception, it does not mean that Kamala is consistent, does it? IMHO, she's been much more inconsistent than Trump, at least in the recent past. The bigger problem that I see isn't even w/ her...

...love the punditry and colorful markup! Not sure everyone sees it that way though :rolleyes:

Hard to say. The polling is close... you can't go by national polling though; since that's not how the winner gets determined. When you break it down by electoral forecasts the well respected Nate Silver seems to think Trump has an advantage (as of this moment). However, there's no predicting...

Agreed. So... I think the 10th amendment exists for a reason. The reason being that the Federal government has limited and enumerated powers. Arms are indeed mentioned in the constitution (ok, Bill of rights but won't split hairs here) and so there's more meat on that bone to pick over...

Poopy, you are a troll and a coward... when you grow a backbone and unblock me we can see if you're capable of having a thoughtful discussion. Until then, go hide in your skew arb threads. :p

Because it suits them and that's all they want... everyone to bend over backwards for each and every one of their special interests.

Huh? Here... the move to San Francisco came increasing political involvement by the Temple and the high levels of approval they received from the local government and, here... support in California gave Jones access to several high-ranking political figures, including vice presidential...

Lol, missed that. As far as I understand the mainstream GOP position is that it's a 10th amendment issue... I don't recall abortion being mentioned in the constitution. So, I'll ask again... are you happy w/ how your state handles the issue? And, if not, why haven't you done anything bout it? :p