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well you never know when it will pop, if google was 40 dollars, nobody would be talking about it. It would be in the yahoo,ebay realm. Yeah interesting stocks, but nothing special. But the 400$ sign is a major draw. Yes it could be a bubble, but it took 5 years for for ebays bubble and...

well I contacted options council, and they said for the options you can use your options meaning excercise them. If you hold any put above 7.5, yeah excercise them, if they declare bankruptcy on monday, excercise all put options above 2.50..but 2.50's and 5's arent availble so no worries.

Apex, the problem is that this is a classic run on the bank. Everybody is pulling out money. Nobody will buy refco or any parts till they get to the bottom of the mess. man financial doesnt know whats going on, and the people at refco doesnt know if this goes beyond an ex ceo and 560 millon...

then why are the bonds pricing in bankruptcy ?

dont you think refco is facing a cash crunch. Or what cody williard likes to call a run on the bank. Whether your in the retail or the prime side, your going to pull out cash.

what would happen to all the people who holds accounts with refco if they do delcare on monday. Would they lose all their money

Then why did Delphi, delta, and northwest declared bankruptcy. The bankruptcy law changes was their deciding factor. Especially for delphi, which could have declared in 06 if they wanted to. If your looking at the delphi bonds they are trading at 33 cents on the dollar, down from 66, this is...

Does anybody here think refco might declare bankruptcy before the bankruptcy laws change on tuesday? if thats the case, this would be the biggest brokerage failure in over 25 years. For equity traders, this would be like Goldman saks and lehman brothers declaring bankruptcy in the commodity...

lol the supreme court thing is pretty much played out. Well I dont know why kudlow doesnt rail against bush's big government policies. I thought he hated that stuff

ok, but what does it mean for the stock market, meaning the big 3 indices, down 10%, down 20%.

LOL Tom anti george bush policies and republican policies isnt anti american. Its the same kind of rhetoric that you republicans used to shut down the people who said there wasnt any weopens of mass destruction in Iraq.

Ok everybody from kudlow to the corner guy at cnn says that if one case of avian flu is found in the continental united states it would result in stock market tanking. But by how much, 10%,20% 50%. Any hard numbers.

lol macro, I wouldnt put so much stock on steve, when you get to his level, no matter how much he tries to minimize his risk, hes going to have to take huge risks to get results. Everybody is going into diffrent markets to get some kind of return. Whether its the credit markets, buying up...

Here a bit more from emma to people who keep saying Im dreaming, hedgies were all short, no they were all long the common and debt. http://www.thestreet.com/markets/emmatrincal/10246538_3.html Delphi's (DPH:NYSE - news - research - Cramer's Take) bankruptcy filing might make it Black...

lol, well more then the event funds that bought delphi common and debt :D

ouch how did they got the kayak out, I can imagine moutain bike and gear gone but the kayak. Well at least theres the canucks, and there back :D

I just find it wierd that so many of these young guys put so much stock on their theories, like this such and such arb play is unbeatable, it cant fail, and then it does. I know more then you and Im gunning this stock, because no way it goes up *down*. Its not just conjecture that there are...

no Im talking about institutional traders and hedgies

Is this like the mid 80's , when the last group of new kids joined the market.

Are there too many inexperience and young traders and hedgies out there now? You see it in the bond markets, where you have blow ups all the time now, in the commodity markets where people misinterpret oil data because they are new to the game, in the stock market, where hedges on paper dont...