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Ok somebody has to pay for the entire mess, somebody has to be scapegoated, whether its shortsellers, or if its bankers, or homebuilders, with the democrats taking over next year, and the need to scapegoat, who will now go to jail.

or open up with mbtrading, etc.....you can also open an american brokerage account, and be just tax in canada, no need to worry about double taxation

well were talking about multibillion doller hedgefunds, that has alot of expensive talent right. if were talking about small traders, yeah it happens all the time, but from past experience, for hedgies, it seems unsurmountable.

I just think its crazy b/c everybody knows 700 billion just wont do it, and the next tranch in morgages will start or already started to deterioate. And the altA, non subprime is way bigger then the subs.

I was wondering what would the ramifications would be politically and economically? All the talking heads on cnn, cnbc fox, saids it will fix the credit problem, now there saying it will not necessarily fix, but aleve it. So what will the next step be and how much would it cost?

54 percent for rab, how can they possibly come back?

No im very imformed, you obviously have no idea what sac and citadel do for a living, its not just plain buying long stock. if sac and citadel were just plain long funds, yeah sure nothing to worry about *relativly*. But for alot of they do, involves short selling and credit markets, and...

I thought sac was down over 10 percent for the year or is that another one its funds?

Since the short selling ban has been enacted around the world, the basis for many hedgefund strategies have been destroyed. And then you put up commodity crash, alot of hedgefunds are down huge this year. Even pickens lost a billion dollers. ESL lamperts fund is down huge, sac is is down...

Just wondering, what does everybody expect to happen on monday, will the markets go down huge, up huge, or basically nothing?

wow iron fist that is long. Yup I totally agree with you there are some people who think they are gurus, but are just show boaters. But I think some of the problem like many schools whether its martial arts or other wise is that people expect everybody to champions. every school should expect...

well its big c right, what if the worst happens, and brokers clearning operations start to fail, and the dow goes down 50 percent complete armagedon.

well cramer yesterday on realmoney silver said that if there is no deal, the dow down 2000+ points, is that true, or is he overreacting again?

well if we do have a depression, think of what happened in new orleans and during the la riots, we could have mass rioting in cities. IF not massive social disruption. On the political front, there is going to be massive reregulation of our economic system. if people here think europe is...

you can switch to a canadian broker, like tdwaterhouse canada, tradefreedom, etc . As an american citizen your under canada/us tax treaty, and you will only be tax in either canada or us, whereever you are residing. Canadian brokers are not under sec jursdiction but osc rules, which does not...

hey this thread will probably help out people go throught the various fed bailout scenerios, and what will happen to the markets. Ok there is one camp thinking a deal will happen, but its going tobe pieacemeal, 150-250 now, the rest later. theres consensus that market participants will be...

well nobody knows right. Thats why i think the slice and dice, the tournaquet way is the way to go. put in 250 billion, then in 3 months put in 250 billion. but not all at once.

person on cnbc said on average the bids are at 65 cents. how did he get that number, the market is so illiquid right. Its easy to see how some of the sub stuff is being sold at 5 cents. The houses, that their paper is based on is horrible. i also dont belieave that pimco guys suggestion they...

landis it is a bailout. Your taking the crap from wallstreet and putting into the publics shoulders. The debt was always on the publics shoulder b/c wallstreet made it so large it had tobe. Wallstreets bets became so big and intertwined, if anything went wrong it went onto the publics...

but jfic,it does make sense right. Passing 700 billion in 5 days,without a real game plan, you would at least buy some time to figure it out. ive been coming to the conclusion congress will go the route. 150-250 now, in a couple of weeks more, till you have all the details worked out.