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    A word about redistribution of wealth

    davediode, you gotta be kidding me when you assert that swedes health care is free, man that is just clueless. There are nine inputs into the Economists' model, none of which are subjective. They then use multivariate regression to calculate the input's impact on life satisfaction. Is...
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    I was reading some more for the hell of it, and it is quite striking really how we are about to elect this moron Obama and his 'change you can believe in crap' Since I was talking about Sweden, I got more interested in how Europeans are viewing tax issues and redistribution. This article in...
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    jonbig, you are still hung up on the top 20% getting roughly equal benefits (while they basically pay for all of it) per person. But why should they get less as it is set up? SSI is not means tested and the the top 20% all pay the max and therefore get the max. I don't think SSDI is...
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    "PPP is a good measure, and I regard 20% as a good bit lower. It was much lower at the peak of their crisis in 1994 when the welfare state had taken them to the brink." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You obviously don't understand what PPP is...
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    jon, if the guy in Iraq had any brains at all, his SGLI is at $500K. His wife also gets other benefits, and his kids can use his GI bill
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    A word about redistribution of wealth

    about Sweden, PPP is a good measure, and I regard 20% as a good bit lower. It was much lower at the peak of their crisis in 1994 when the welfare state had taken them to the brink. So guess what kind of 'change' they made? Barack Obama's kind? well no- cuts, cuts, cuts, in social...
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    ... The real question is: How does government provide a helping hand without making it a lifestyle?... or something like that... Get a group of doctors together and ask them about the attitudes of people on medicaid. The entitlement class is a permanent fixture of any socialist program...
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    If thats true then could I assume that every time rates were raised (even only a little) on the upper class that an economic slow down followed? Is this what you are saying? It's not that simple, economics cannot be reduced to simple cause and effect and there are a lot of variable to...
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    Some seem not to care about inequality at all. Do you really not care when someone in your own country can not afford health care and a place to live ór do you just look the other way? Even if you don't care, a highly unequal society is not a good place to live. Rich people retreat to their...
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    Vote here ! McCain Vs Obama

    it fell during nixon, Carter did it at the cost of high taxes, a gutted military, and a shitty economy. It went up during Clinton I, down during Clinton II, only after the republican revolution.
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    Vote here ! McCain Vs Obama

    Doesn't anybody remember Carter? That was the last time we had full liberal control. Clinton got a conservative congress and a historic stock bubble. talk about dumb ass luck.
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    Who said this ????

    jack hershey
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    A word about redistribution of wealth

    I'm the one spouting off? Maybe, but you are too...did you even read this whole doc? You linked me to a 123 page document, and its a good one. As I suspected though you either didnt read it, or simply posted the parts that worked the best for your points. Had you actually read the thing you...
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    A word about redistribution of wealth

    Democrats and liberals claim that humans for some reason don't react to tax rates, the data says otherwise. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nice sweeping generalization. Now, show me where I've made that claim. I didn't say you made...
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    Alan Blinder weighs in on what happens when cap gains are treated as income (the $1=$1 scenario I suggested): "BUT would taxing capital gains like other types of income imperil our economy? No. The Tax Reform Act of 1986 did exactly that, and it did not end capitalism as we know it. In fact, the...
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    posted again for emphasis Overall, tax payments exceeded government spending received for the top two quintiles of income, resulting in a net fiscal transfer of between $1.031 trillion and $1.527 trillion between quintiles
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    it looks like mav88's questions were answered. Thats good. I had no questions, and no nobody here has provided any effective counter argument to my points In fact, the federal government collected roughly $1.004 trillion in income taxes from individuals in fiscal 2000, the last...
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    You need to stop fixating on the Federal income tax. 'Total tax burden' is the salient issue here. if you wish to play that game, then you must also include capital gains taxes along with payroll. That weakens the liberal case even further
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    "One question though are you saying that in the end the middle class pay less taxes on a percentage basis than the rich?" I didnt say it, the data did. You having trouble reading? Sorry you are right, my mistake. the income of the middle class has GONE DOWN. Please see table on the first...
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    A word about redistribution of wealth

    I'm not concerned about the poor so much as the middle class. You say the income doesnt transfer to them. did you not see the chart? what you are saying is not going to happen is already happening. You can say that it doesnt happen but right now TODAY the rich's income is growing while the...
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