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Quote from Teleologist: Attempting to thwart the design inference by invoking infinite regress is a ploy easily defeated. Take any example of human design and move it to a location where humans have never been. Scientists observing it would immediately infer design. The infinite regress issue...

Attempting to thwart the design inference by invoking infinite regress is a ploy easily defeated. Take any example of human design and move it to a location where humans have never been. Scientists observing it would immediately infer design. The infinite regress issue wouldn't even come up. A...

James Bond: I'm a hypocrite for suspecting ID and advocating that it be investigated? What a moron!

Scientists first visiting Mars discover several pyramids similar to those found in Egypt. Proving that a non-teleological process was behind their origin is simpler than the proposing they were designed. Proposing a teleological process requires explaining the origin of the pyramid builders...

James Bond wrote: More misrepresentation. I've never claimed life was designed, so I'm under no obligation to offer proof that life was designed. And I've never insisted that anyone should believe in design. It's the ID critics that insist life is undesigned and that every reasonable person...

TraderNik wrote: Why do you continue to misrepresent what I've said? Where did I ever say I could prove life was designed?

Quote from Teleologist: "If the design inference generates testable hypotheses that help us better understand biotic reality it will prove to be useful. That's all I expect of it. " Quote from Teleologist: "No one on this thread ever claimed they had a test to prove design." That...

Tradernik wrote: Evidently you've forgotten all of it. Where is your proof of a non-teleological origin of life?

TraderNik wrote: Nonsense. All scientific hypotheses begin with observation. And what is observation but how things look or don't look?

TraderNik wrote: No one on this thread ever claimed they had a test to prove design. And you haven't come up with one testable hypothesis that substantiates a non-teleological origin of life. All you've done here is peddle your metaphysics.

TraderNik wrote: Perhaps, but if the design inference generates testable hypotheses that help us better understand biotic reality it will prove to be useful. That's all I expect of it.

neophyte321 said: TraderNik replied: Are you claiming you can prove non-design? If not, then your belief in non-design is like believing in ghosts and goblins. Show us how your non-design belief is based on anything more substantial than how things look to you.

TraderNik wrote: That's not what I'm saying at all. I suspect ID because I observe complex things in nature that look to me like they were designed for a purpose. You are claiming that they only look this way to persons that believe in God. But atheist Richard Dawkins says there are...

Aped Decision Last year's judicial blow to intelligent design came straight from ACLU attorneys By: Mark Bergin World Magazine December 23, 2006 For the past year, Judge John E. Jones III has ridden a wave of celebrity. From radio talk shows to speech engagements to the cover of...

TraderNik wrote: More baloney. Atheist Richard Dawkins says that “Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose”. I think that warrants a mere suspicion that life on earth was designed.

ZZZ wrote: Good point. Reminds me of something William Dembski once said:

Before we concern ourselves with identifying intelligent designers we first need to have a logical reason to suspect that something is intelligently designed. Scientists that are investigating a non-teleological origin of life are doing nothing more than following up on their suspicions...

TraderNik wrote: Pure bunk. The purpose of this thread was to dispute the claim that ID is creationism. The arguments from the ID critics that ID is creationism have been totally refuted. TraderNik wrote: Totally false! No one has attacked the scientific method and no one has...

No, you give it up. It's the arguments of the ID critics that have been demolished. And as far as I can tell, all the ID critics on this thread are evangelical atheists. Well, I've got news for you. Less than 10% of Americans are atheists. Most of the rest either believe that God created life as...

A quick summary for those looking at this thread for the first time. ID is not creationism. ID is not about proving the existence of God. ID is not anti-evolution. ID is the perspective that evolution is the product/output of design. Or put another way, that life is designed to exploit and...