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You forgot the longs on the products at the Nymex and Comex. Plus the insurance and liquidity profile of the exchanges to keep them solvent. Ever wondered why prices go in the opposite direction when everyone has loaded up in one direction? It must be a conundrum or a conspiracy.

7. It's a conspiracy 8. It's a conundrum 9. Dr. Greenspan lives on 10.zEro Sum is actually a code for ES or S&P500

You can call me all you want, ignorant, shark, vulture. However, from my experience, I take aid and comfort from the cash in my bank account (all practical and none theoretical). May be I am humbled by it, and as such realize that my bank can then make a loan for someone else to be able to...

Why can you not just accept it. European imperialism is dead in the water, now the Euro's are running shit scared thanks to the Chinese.

Why the sell of in treasuries soon after? If it was a non-event then there should have been a more linear sell off occuring over the past month. Was this a knee-jerk reaction to the European selling, or going back to convexity, was someone trying to play hangman? However, IMHO, could it...

Are you fully invested or do you also gain from interest, and currency diff. Did you see the ECB move coming!

That is what is happening between China and the US. So inter index spreads also have to look at currency manipulation. Thus non-sum zero.

Your assuming that an exact equal position is taken at the exact equal time on the exact equal instrument that is being traded. Where does "auction" come into this. What do you understand by "open outcry." And how is this validated?

The date is 31st Dec 2005, the futures trade is ER2 (Russell 2000). For all those who traded this will know that the futures is not zero sum. Ask the Nybot. The date is 31st Dec 2005, the futures trade is YM (Dow Jones). For all those who traded this will know that the futures in not zero...

Thats the opposite of what whitsler is saying. And why does he need more liquidity to trade YM.

I get this sinking feeling like sliding down the yield curve. May be I should change my name to 7938, no that's silly You Moron.

Does that mean that my rating has sunk by 93%, now that was ESay.

In my humble opinion, I feel that they are posting daily trades with hidden codes in every message. It is easier than posting on the classified ads section on The New York Times. Plus there is the added bonus of time. Anyway, if you factor in "timed out" nothing is zero sum. So you have...

Original question was about the whole stock market. Not one or any individual part of it.

Quote from whitster: oh my god. you guys are truly amazing. PLEASE trade YM. i need some more traders to provide liquidity to me. thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What do you understand by liquidity? Why do you need more...

ES at 1280.00 at 3.09pm and 3.14pm.

ES at 1280.00 at 3.09pm and 3.14pm.