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because it is used by every high volume firm on and off the floor at every futures exchange in the world. As a high volume high frequency futures trader nothing is even close! They caused a lot of controversy and lawsuits with their "static grid" copyright but because of this their product is...

not that is a trading range! thank you spooz for helping my shorts! short 117.195 after the high was put in cover 9 way too early!

I thought the spooz were consolidating to pop higher since the last 3-4 times we hit over 1390 they killed it and did not do it this time. Since we could not get under 1370 for a week or so I thought there would be a bear trap pop up to 1420 but that did not happen. What has happened is the...

pro style!

sorry looked at my fills no 17's just got 15's and 16's. covered at 11. This is the one response I am going to give you increase now it is called a NOB, like you. You lock in your profit when you are long some ZN and short some ZB at optimal price points.

damn one off! long ZN at 116.095 and short ZB at 117.17 good trade took em off at 116.13 and 117.11

wow! when the bond trades like that I back off and trade ZN, 10 ticks up and down with no regard for anything that was an impressive chop traded. Or any trade you put on is a 4 tick winner or loser in matter of seconds till break down or rocket up happens...117.18 offer

the violence of the moves are too much for me today was up 9 ticks then got smoked for the thing to move 5-6 full ticks within 30 seconds is really too much on a day when there are no numbers. Oh well I am at home now. I guess I should have stayed short...

please do not confuse me with the person who started 25 threads asking the same question I am a real trader who has been on this thread from the beginning! :cool:

another wild ride in ZB, today I traded a lot more ZN but couldn't get away from the ZB pipe the high is so good! rip em up up then down down, the moves down since this morning have been a lot more violent if you sell a good level (anything over 117.050) you are in a nice winner almost...

there is nothing that makes me want to break all 6 of my screens than to short this piece of $hit over and over from 118.07, 118.075, and 118.06 in a 30 minute stretch and stocks are going to the moon then to get out at 118.07 go take a break come back see it at 117.20. Then you think it's...

nice sale it can be done I myself shorted 119.23 evens and rode em down unfortunately I should have gone home after that because I gave it all back on that wild run back up. 16 bid, at 8, 19 bid, at 13, etc... got caught in the upward chop

cbot.com real time you gotta pay to play bro. http://www.cmegroup.com/market-data/datamine-historical-data/volume-open-interest.html

http://www.traderslog.com/proprietarytradingfirms.htm most of these places are Futures prop they are some equity shops though I know nothing about that side of the business good luck.

http://www.cbot.com/cbot/pub/page/0,,1391+chart,00.html?symb=ZB&month=M&year=08&period=&study=&study0=&study1=&study2=&study3=&bartype=&bardensity=

Bernanke and Paulson have shown a total disregard for inflation and the dollar the number one theme in today's market on a daily basis is credit (bank to bank) and earnings right now, more economic issues. You can short a ZB right now and be a 60 tick winner or loser in a matter of a few...

I am not getting chopped out (they are not running stops when it stays in a 3-4 handle range all morning) just pissed at waiting so long for a move it's trading like the ZN did from 2005-2007 mid way. I like the programs they tweak out and can't handle vol at least that is what is happening in...

I traded spooz back then also at least the spooz had a rhythm to em', no rhythm at all the last few weeks just chop chop chop. I guess vol comes back down for spooz but the treasuries are very violent right now, especially the bondo.

this trade gets worse everyday how many hours did it sit in 4 point range! Why won't big players let it go somewhere? I guess they would rather churn 1000 lots in a 2-3 handle range. I am glad it finally broke I only waited about 5 hours to take out 4 handles!