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thanks PTF, and by the way, Happy New Year!

Reversal, particularly if there is momentum at the stop area, makes sense, as there now appears to be enough force in the market to overwhelm the prior cycle I was trying to trade.

That nasty long trade I reffered to was 3:40 ET. (I am in SF). A reversal would have done nicely...

PTF Thanks very much for sharing your approach and for all your time. One question I have is your timing. I know you say that timing is least important and diffacult to get just right, but it looks like you take positions before the move you are attempting to acquire has shown itself in...

"Not trading patterns is not an edge. " I agree, that is no edge. But that is not what I was referring to. The ability to use discretion to pass, or stand aside, on entries that look like losers would indeed be a remarkable edge .

Sorry, goofed up my sentence.... Steve46, I think this is what is interesting about PTF's approach. If he is making money this way (over time) then he IS a successful discretionary trader. This is what is fascinating about PTF's thread. Seems to me, developing the ability to trade...

Any recomendations on a decent futures options broker?

THANKS KOWBOY, YES I WAS EVEN TOLD THIS BY TWS TECH SUPPORT. IF THIS IS INDEED THE PROB, AND MY MACHINE WITH DUAL CPU AND 2 GIGS RAM CAN'T HANDLE 2 CHARTS OPEN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MOST PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO USE THE PROGRAM! I AM GOING TO TRY TRY THE QUOTE TACKER OPTION.....

THANKS KIWITRADER, I ACTUALLY NEED SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE. JUST A CHART AND A WAY TO DISPLAY THE RESTING ORDERS AND POSITIONS ON THE CHART ITSELF (RATHER THAN ON A SPREADSHEET). I DO NOT USE ANY TECHNICAL INDICATORS OF ANY KIND, SO I DON'T NEED ANY OF THAT. WHICH PROGRAM WOULD YOU RECOMMEND...

YES I AM GOING TO GIVE QUOTETRACKER A TRY.

THANKS MEDVED AND RCJ. SEEMS TO BE A CONSENSUS ON WHAT WORKS WITH IB. I'LL CHECK THEM OUT. IT'S A BIT UNNERVING TO HAVE TWS FREEZE IN THE MIDDLE OF A TRADE...