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So true, but actually knowing when it's ending in real time (vs more come) seems to be the real challenge. Even with proper annotation and nesting.

What about the instances where you have similar conditions, meaning... you have the potential to declare "implied IBV" but the trend subsequently continues and you get more true IBV? Yet, you'd already had to decide in real-time that you have "implied IBV" (which btw, we'd wonder about quite...

Yeah, that's my point as well. It's easy to see if a tape in the opposite direction fails (in hindsight), but what about in real time? We know WMCN, and the previous thing already "has everything it needs". So upon an FTT / SOC (and maybe even a RTL cross if one waits for more confirmation)...

One view might be that BBT1 from Pt1 to Pt2 is complex (since the lat represents nondom by definition) and it has a full volume cycle. However, BBT2 does not have a full volume cycle because there is no return to incr black vol after BBT's pt3, even though it's obvious in hindsight something...

The silence answers that question.

All true. Except, what about all the firms who make millions or billions on 'education'? I suppose all that stuff would still exist, because even with a theoretically perfect trading system most traders would still have a lot of difficulty (for mental reasons).

Good points. So far, nobody seems to have the finer points figured out as far as continuation vs reversal. At times it's simply a series of false starts as reversals, only having to be subsequently fanned (would mean failed trades in real-time). Sure, there are a couple tips such as being...

Your post would then lead one to believe that anyone who is sharing this information doesn't quite have it figured out fully? Since, despite there being no upside to sharing it... a few have tried. Did they purposely leave out the intricacies, or do they not know them? There are a couple...

Why would you consider the pink down thing a bbt? It didn't ftt, therefore it's not equal in weight to bbt1. Which would mean, as of the up thing after the pink down thing, we're still building bbt1. Or call them whatever, same logic applies. But for you guys, if you end the down thing on a...

2 min chart? We could do that in many locations for non FTT'd containers, right? Which could lead to uncertainty in real time, should you do that or not? It would become a perpetual question. Depending on the fractal you like to trade, that might not be a location at which you need to make a...

Great question, ditto (and why). Also, you said..."FTT on a faster fractal", based on what? Would that mean we can FTT on a VE any time we want to? Why, why not? And more importantly, how would we know not to? In real time, we can't be stuck with "maybe" if it impacts a trade decision now or...

In real-time, what would keep you from thinking the bar marked P2 is the end of the trend, and acting upon it? It seems to be a SOC bar & we also get what would have been a RTL cross (and also IBV). Any clues there that I'm missing, or have I identified the built-in risk that simply can't be...

Thanks. Thinking in terms of real-time analysis, as of the red bar marked Pt2 we have everything we need for a Tape (or some call it a traverse), right? That Pt2 bar also looks like a SOC as it's IV and closes within the range of the previous bar, and in real-time would have been a Tape RTL...

Oh Ok, thanks. My understanding of it is we don't get permission to accel unless the VE is of the nature where it posses "IV + the price bar closes outside the existing LTL" (referred to as ITZ = in the zone). In this case, we get a close outside the LTL but it's not on an incr vol bar. Jack...

I don't see red IV in that down thing, so all we have are regular VEs for that down thing, no? Here is it from my chart. If we accelerate & redraw TLs from the top of the 1125 bar (EST, blue arrow) then we'd FTT, but we can't draw it that way, can we? If yes, why do we accel on a regular VE if...

BBT1 gets ITZ & accelerated, I saw that too. But the pink down thing which I've circled doesn't seem to FTT. How can it be a BBT2? It doesn't need 123ftt like BBT1? My perspective at the time, although possibly flawed but not sure why yet, is that the pink down thing failing to FTT meant we...

I agree with most of that, except for the attitude comment. The only thing I'm not open & humble about is something that's simply not my place to get into. It's just not right to do so, nor to make it a condition for discussions with me (IMO). That's all. There are things you have flatly stated...

Maybe I can clear something up, for whoever cares (even if nobody does). My having been mentored is not the topic here, nor is it my place to share a 3rd party's charts. I don't even want to get into whether I'm allowed to, or not, etc. I really can't recall & not worth my time in trying to...

Holy cow. I've been nothing but respectful. My mentor's charts aren't the topic nor the focus. This is about YOU as your thread, and about ME as in wanting to learn (which is why you came here to start with, to help). A 3rd unnamed party isn't all that relevant, as I've already told you very...

I'd prefer not to refer to the charts from my mentoring, to be frank. As I said, I've definitely learned some useful things, but I'd rather show MY chart if that's what you prefer & then you can see what I either learned incorrectly or else may have understood incorrectly. I am NOT hung up on...