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LOL. If you can't beat'm, ignore'm. That's OK Rcan, you'll get another shot at him when you come back with your next (in the series) screenname. JB

I'd probably say that as well if I had been reamed by logic the way you have in the last few pages by Dirk "Stu" Digler. JB

Well, if you're happy with the normal hydrologic cycle, there's no need whatoever to request special treatment. But you're obviously not praying for the normal hydrologic cycle to be continued ... there's been no rain. You're asking him to interupt the normal cycle (supernatural act). If...

Apparently you haven't read much of anything regarding the worlds major religions considering the incredibly ignorant comments you make regarding them. Now, I don't really care if you are familiar with them or not, just expect a bunch of laughter when you say things to the effect of ...

V00: >I personally don't know of anyone who >actually prays for supernatural things to happen. >Do you ? Me: >You're joking. By definition, when someone prays to >supernatual entity with a request they are praying for >supernatural things to happen. V00: >So if I am a farmer...

V00: >I personally don't know of anyone who >actually prays for supernatural things to happen. >Do you ? You're joking. By definition, when someone prays to a supernatual entity with a request they are praying for supernatural things to happen. JB

V00: >Better yet, show us how one can use the scientific >method to prove that love exists. I'm game -- first we must agree on a definition of "love". I'll give you the first pass. JB

Y: >If he said that the spirit tells him to be kind and generous >and hopeful for an eternal life, and makes him feel good >deep down, then I would think that he is communicating >(in my religious framework) with Jesus, or an Angel, >or a saint. And the folks down in Tx at the YFZ...

If your describing "tearing up" the probable cause issue ... I'm with you. I think they are on weak ground. If your describing the DNA evidence as weak, I'm betting this won't be the case. JB

Rat: >i am waiting for credible evidence... DNA will tell much of whatever story there is. Takes a little time, but worth the wait. JB

DD: >Religion asserts that Supernatural beings >interact in the natural world. ... Yannis: >No serious religion asserts that, ... OMG ... every freakin' (major) serious religion asserts such over and over and over. For the moment I will assume that you misspoke. If not, you are...

Yannis: >The very fact that you are trying to put prayer in >a laboratory kills it, contaminates it, stops the >people's hearts from producing it. Just because you say so? You're taking a position that is FAR different from the overwhelming majority of the worlds religions. One of...

The scientific method has proven to be the best devised so far for the confirmation of claims. If one's religion is entirely internal (meaning no claims are made about its ability to work for others), I personally find no *need* for this method to be involved. Once external claims of...

In other words, Rat sees bears. JB

We (young males) were not allowed to have *any* interaction with the girls of the cult that wasn't sanctioned and supervised. Our lake had "girls days" and "boys days" when it came to swimming etc. We couldn't talk to them, we couldn't write letters to them. I remember like yesterday the...

BH: >The brain dead women in that cult are the main bad >guys. Women are by nature supposed to protect there >children, correct? They *are* protecting their children ... from the sins of the world. It's a very "pure environment" in which to raise children (their recent words). Do not...

While I'm trouble by the "hoax call" aspect of all this, I'm not exactly sure how I want my government to handle such things. If someone calls and says that they hear a woman screaming "help me" like bloody murder in my house I at least want the cops to come to my house to check it out...

Since I consider "God and Christ" to be man made constructs, I think you'll understand why I answered the way I did. I don't differentiate between the two. JB

Rat: >so you blame guns for deaths? There are no simple answers to those sorts of questions -- that's why I didn't give you a simple answer to your previous question. I will answer generically that in the end I'm a big, big believer in individual responsibility, be regarding religion or...

Thanks TL and nutmeg. It's been more than 30 years now since I left and I'm doing fine. It's my sisters that I feel the worst for -- true victims. One sister has been out for ~15 years ... left her husband, remarried and doing well. One sister still in. Mother still in. Dad out and doing...