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  1. J

    taking longs out of a fly

    You may have already seen it, but Charles Cottle provides a good explanation of the structure of 123 ( SkipStrike ) Flies and other similar configurations in the chapter in his book on WingSpreads
  2. J

    taking longs out of a fly

    Sounds like you sold an ITM call vertical ( bought OTM put vertical ) to convert position to BWB ... screenshots always useful to look at if you have them
  3. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

  4. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Bob ... I presume that if John Hull states that "Put-Call parity does not hold for American Options" you now accept this is the case, even if you don't necessarily understand why ...
  5. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    The possibility of early exercise ... but probably beyond the scope of this thread ... it would have been a much more interesting discussion to explore this issue and it's effect on option prices before the thread was hi-jacked by the put-call vigilantes who insisted put-call parity holds for...
  6. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Nope, didn't miss this at all ... have a look at my post #37 above where I said Put-Call parity for American Style Options does not hold but there is a chain of inequalities ( the boundaries you refer to )
  7. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    We can agree to disagree whether put-call parity holds for American Options ... but I rest my case with an extract from John Hull's "Options Futures and Other Derivatives" #1 Put-Call parity only holds for European Options #2 Put-Call parity does not hold for American Options
  8. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Bob You are confusing non-arbitrage with put-call pariy. We agree that markets are efficiently priced and there are few ( if any ) arbitrage opportunities arising from option mis-pricing. Just put your math where your mouth is ... should be simple for a man with your resources to show that...
  9. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Bob Glad to see you are back in this discussion ... The point of using an option model was to provide a simple illustration the fact that put-call parity doesn't necessarily hold for ITM options with American Style exercise and dividends before expiry Are you now saying that ... the model...
  10. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Why not just answer a simple question ... what is your p-c parity calculation for the example given ?
  11. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Spot Price $100 Dividend $10 $80 strike ... call price ... Euro Settlement $10.04 / American Settlement $20.00 ... put price ... Euro Settlement $0.04 / American Settlement $0.04 What is your p-c parity calculation for each Euro / Amer settlement ?
  12. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    How exactly are my facts flawed ... I have provided the simplest of examples to illustrate the point that p-c parity does not necessarily hold for American Options. Why not provide me with your explanation of why you think it does hold using the example provided ...
  13. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Here we go again ... when Bob lost the argument about p-c parity ... he claimed he just wasn't interested in the debate any more If you think p-c parity always holds, then try to do what Bob/Guru refused to do ... and explain why it always holds when the following example clearly shows that it...
  14. J

    Stickiness wrt Vega, straddles, etc

    Probably better to compare both Raw Vega and some form of Time Weighted Vega if comparing strategies across different expiry dates ...
  15. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Guru ... the name itself is one of life's delicious ironies ... still believe that put-call parity always holds ... or like Bob ... just not interested in this debate anymore ?
  16. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Classy ...
  17. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Of course the prices are correct, just that put-call parity doesn't necessarily hold for American Style options. What other definition of put-call parity is there ?
  18. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    Guru ( and Robert ) I presume you now accept that you were wrong to claim that put-call parity holds for American Style options that can be exercised / pay dividends before expiry. In order to illustrate with a simple worked example, I have used the CBOE IVolatility Option Calculator to...
  19. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

    We are discussing whether put-call parity holds for American Style ( early exercise ) options where the underlying pays a dividend before expiry. You presented the following formula ... in an effort to prove that put-call parity holds for American Style ( early exercise ) options where the...
  20. J

    When P-C parity does not hold

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