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None of the above. Honestly, I have no idea what you mean by the last two options. -Raystonn

I'm not sure the definition of the Grail in fact requires perfection. That's one of the reasons I started this thread, to nail down a definition. However, the term does sound like it should encompass perfection when first heard. I believe most unsuccessful traders are looking for a system...

That's a pretty good definition. If you take "high frequency" to be relative to a particular style of trading, then it could work for both daytraders and swingtraders. I also very much like the requirement that the edge never fade over time. That almost screams for a system or indicator...

So far the consensus (if you can call it that from the small number of replies thus far) is for consistent significant profits on small margin every single day. I would call this a daytrading grail consensus. The need for profits everyday would likely not apply to swing traders or those...

Most traders who go short SPY are looking to go short SPY and not short SPY-Interest Rates. Why? Because they have no clue why SPY should go down. It's all just a gamble to them. Is it the interest rate moves they are catching, or something else? They don't know and they don't care...

Most of us have heard of "The Grail". It is a trading indicator or system that, per examination of the context of the term's use, would make us more successful than we could ever have imagined. My question to you: What are your minimum requirements of an indicator or system that would allow...

Ah... the sweet smell of disagreements... of differing opinions on the market, and how to trade it. I smell profits! -Raystonn

Current Journal Standings: -$62.50 Net Profit without commissions. -$67.30 Net Profit after commisions.

Sold position at 1273.25. Staying flat for the next 24 hours.

Sorry, that price was actually 1274.50. Current status is long @1274.50 until at least the next trading day. (I will continue to hold unless stated otherwise.)

I'm long at 1274.25. (Sorry about the posting delay. I'll try to post much quicker in the future to avoid suspicion.)

I will be making trades at the open of every ES trading session. (This means 4:30PM Eastern Time Sunday through Thursday.) Within a few minutes (hopefully within one minute) of entering my position I will post the trades here. (The lag in entering my trades should not be a huge problem...

I have it on good authority that the market did not actually exist last year. In fact, neither did the good authority.

This would be a scalper's dream come true. You use a separate account to sit on the offer. You then perform a market buy on their system, and the black box adds more market buy volume. Congratulations, you just made the spread. Now do the reverse and you're flat with lots of cash.

Make sure your broker offers an SSL connection to encrypt and help secure your information. Also make sure you have a firewall. A hardware firewall would be best, but software is better than nothing.

Why are you randomly picking a single small part of total system latency and asking someone else to give this number? Proper system optimization involves performance analysis at a higher level, and slowly drilling down until you find the small pieces that cost the most performance. Your...

vol, while you're checking that, maybe you can also check the fill price. You gave wildly different fill prices each time, one for a price 11 cents higher than the price you were trying for.

Ideas are a dime a dozen. Implementing, testing, etc., are where the real work lies. You're asking someone else to do the real work and give you the results?

Yes, but it should show an edge by itself if it's worth adding to other systems. My question is if anyone has tracked the potential of Art's system.

Is anyone bothering to track the performance of any of this, especially the S&P recommendations? I just checked today's performance and he gave a signal to short the S&P, which opened near what would turn out to be the low of the day, and closed up 5.31. Hmm.