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I already posted the numbers shoe. And the burden of proof is on you not me. Logically, the numbers show there WAS a decline elsewhere. There is no requirement for me to pinpoint exactly where since YOU are making the assertion. Your numbers are a mere subset, and I have already...

Shoe, you are swimming in the depths of absurdity. Carefully read your original quote again: If Christian global growth is projected to be 2% in 2005, 2006, 2007 and onward, we can assume that it was close to 2% in 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001 and so on." So in other words you are saying: 1)...

If Christian global growth is projected to be 2% in 2005, 2006, 2007 and onward, we can assume that it was close to 2% in 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001 and so on." No we cant!! Dude... your math/logic skills are SORELY lacking. This is simply FALSE. The PAST already occured. Future...

The frustration comes from Shoes insistence to NOT support his assertion, and to consistently DODGE my questions. Its very difficult to stay cool when someone refuses to answer any of your questions, and continues to argue things we have no interest in, instead of the real issue. I...

Im still waiting for Shoe to produce numbers that refute these: 1800 - 22% 1900 - 34% - peak 1970 - 33.5% - decline mid 2000 - 33% - decline 2002 - 17% - decline Notice, these are GLOBAL numbers. Subset numbers dont apply. Future numbers dont apply. These numbers shatter his...

Notice - you did not answer my question. More importantly, it DOES NOT depend on the "researcher" because you have not supplied **ANY DATA** on GLOBAL christianity AT ALL. You have posted both sides? All you post is stuff not relevant to your original assertion. Here are the...

Once again you completely DODGE the issue. Your original assertion was that of current explosive christian growth. NOT FUTURE PREDICTED GROWTH, etc So stop with all the forecasting OK??? Since you didnt bother to do you homework and answer my challenge, here are some numbers from...

MY CHALLENGE TO SHOE Post a plot of numbers consisting of the PERCENTAGE of the WORLD population that is CHRISTIAN over the last 10 years. State your VALID souce, and show me a PERCENTAGE trend that is aggressively growing. I dont care whats happening in Africa or ANY other...

Go back and read my post Shoe. The WHOLE FRICKEN POINT OF MY POST is that its ERRONEOUS to use absolute terms and NOT percentage terms. And you COMPLETELY missed it. Did you NOT read my post? Or do you have really poor maths skills? You are sitting there and claiming EXPLOSIVE...

Simple. Here is an analogy to help you with your math skills. There is a population of frogs and turtles in a lake. There are 5 turtles. There are 5 frogs. 50% of the population is frogs. 50% of the population is turtles. 5 years go by and now there are: 10 turtles 100 frogs...

No... you provided LOCAL numbers and future predictions. Besides...I wasnt asking you, I was asking DOUBTER who attempted to challenge Turoks initial global numbers with an UNSUPPORTED assertion. peace axeman

Shoe, Do you even REALIZE you just admitted Turok is 100% correct on issue #1????????? The statement: "see Christianity bursting through these slow growth rate scenarios." IS AN ADMISSION that there is currently NO explosive growth rate. Then YOUR researchers go on to make...

Yet another example of arguing via mere assertion. Care to ACTUALLY PROVIDE these other numbers? WHY post unsupported statements that carry no weight? This is a pattern I keep seeing with theists. They seem to think that if you just SAY something that its true... or worse, if you can...

And these numbers are included in the GLOBAL numbers which show a decline. Again... you are in error by focusing on a subset instead of the WHOLE picture. peace axeman

Shoe, You need to address the argument instead of making all these unrelated side points. Turok posted STATISTICS from several religious sources documenting the decline/flatness of christianity ON A GLOBAL SCALE. Your stats on a SUBSET of the world do NOT refute the more global stats...

Shoe, There are TWO assertions to your claim 1) That there is explosive christian growth, and 2) That its due to evangelicals Turok stomped the first myth, are you ready to concede on that now, or do you wish to provide a rebuttal? Further...You have not addressed the 2nd issue...

Agreed. peace axeman as long as they don't act on such a belief by violating the basic human rights of atheists, i don't have a problem with c'ians believing that.

a great many jews - even many observant jews - are essentially atheist. maybe "naturalist" would be a closer term, but imo that's close enough for this discussion - and should answer your question. :) What percentage of jews do not posses god belief? A guesstimate is fine. there is no...

Well damn...im liking these Jews more and more every day. What a REASONABLE thing to say :D Im curious Damir..... what is the "general/popular" jewish position when it comes to an atheist who has led a good and moral life? Any hell fire waiting for them? :D Will they somehow be...

Oh I just love this snippet: The following is a list of writers who lived and wrote during the time, or within a century after the time, that Christ is said to have lived and performed his wonderful works: Josephus, Arrian, Philo- Judaeus, Petronius, Seneca, Dion Pruseus, Pliny the Elder...