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LMAOOOOOOOO!!! :) SEE!! Undeniable proof that george bush evolved from a monkey! :D peace axeman

I think the author is simply saying, that you can observe order spawning from disorder all the time. I like his snowflake example better. Here we have a bunch of water molecules stuck together in a blob, and when frozen slowly, we get these wonderful "orderly" looking snowflake patterns...

I searched the site with regards to thermodynamics. In the FAQ section it summarizes: QUESTION: Doesn't evolution violate the second law of thermodynamics? After all, order cannot come from disorder. ANSWER: Evolution does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. Order emerges...

Hmmmmm, sure your reading this right? Can you point me to the article? This sounds like a possible analogy misread to me. I quoted in detail and showed what was ridiculous about that site. I would like to see the same from you. peace axeman

(In a booming voice with lots of bass) KNEEL BEFORE ME AND ...... ........UNZIP MY PANTS!!! Oh sorry...was talking to my girlfriend and got carried away :) peace axeman

Yeah, its pretty funny, but what is sad is the number of people who believe this garbage hook line and sinker. peace axeman

Surf, You cant be serious :D Did you READ that website?? It states: Evolution is presented in our public school textbooks as a process that: 1. Brought time, space, and matter into existence from nothing. 2. Organized that matter into the galaxies, stars, and at least nine...

That link does not work peace axeman

Well.... to be honest, since I was a theist, and I have heard all of these arguments before, I havent learned very much, but im glad that you did. It's easier to see the whole picture if you can step back from an unbiased point of view. I think that if an intelligent alien came to our...

Let me clarify. When I state the something has already happened in the future it is from the point of view of the omniscient being. This is very different from the humans point of view. To an omniscient being that can see past, present and future, EVERYTHING has already happened. This...

Ok...ill explain the issues here. Finally, we can apply these several logical niceties to the problem of Epistemic Determinism. Let's recall the argument that initiated this current discussion: ORIGINAL Version of the Argument for Epistemic Determinism Premise 1 - If x knows that...

I agree. The idea is as useless (part 1 of sentence) as attempting to prove a negative( 2nd part of sentence). peace axeman PS I just accidently LOST my LOOOONG reply to your other post :( Dont have the time to retype all that right now.

Incorrect. Unicorns CAN exist, does this alone mean this is a supported notion? NO. 3 headed demons on mars CAN exist, does this alone mean its supported? NO. Just because something is a possibility does NOT mean its supported in ANY way. Supported by what? Do you have a shred...

I don't have the time to counter respond to all of your other posts Ive missed, so im gonna summarize instead. Correct me anywhere Im wrong because im going to paraphrase how I see a position you constantly jump into arguments with. It SEEMS thats your entire belief base stems from: "I...

COULD being the key word. Zornoph COULD have created this universe. My big foot COULD be god. Little purple unicorns COULD exist in separate space and time. Three headed demons COULD exit ouside of our human comprehension. This is what bugs me about your position Boat. You muddy the...

I have always asserted god can exist (Except for logically contradicting definitions of god) So, yes, it would be circular if he attempted to use that as an argument for the existence of god, and not the mere possibility of existence. peace axeman

Thanks! You too surf! :) Just for the record Surf. If the creator actually DID exist, then I would agree that the creation probably cant fully fathom the creator. However, the existence of the creator is the very thing we are debating, which has not been proven, so that statement...

Surf, You have officially made my efforts worth while. I was once a theist (christian) who "got to thinking" after hearing atheistic arguments. :) It's the first step to a long road of discovery. peace axeman

Good thing that smiley face was there or I would be convinced your smoking crack. :D peace axeman

This is very subtle but important. No one is claiming that god is FORCING you to do what he has foreseen. SImply put, if omniscience is possible, wether it be by god or any other entity, this means that the future is fixed. Now given that this is the case, anyone making choices in...