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still figuring out how best to apply my approach...that is, how best to wash but also allow for continuation in my favor. -59 net

everything you do in life requires that you anticipate or see 'what's coming up' to succeed. trading is no different and it's NOT predicting. you drive a car, you see the bends in the road, you see the stop lights. etc. these are obstructions in your path to continue in your previous...

still trying to find my way through being able to wash out of a trade that's not going to work AND staying IN one that IS working. one alternative is to re-enter when my signal resumes, after taking a wash. taking it one day at a time. (not settling for equity swings)

it isn't the product, it's the person. stocks or futures is irrelevant

i've been wanting to post into this thread for a while now, so now i'm confident enough to start doing so. won't be posting mind blowing results, but hopefully, little loss and modest gains

ok, yeah i have that, thanks for the effort though. there's so much material, i post and look through it concurrently to increase the speed for finding specific items that i might have missed on a read through (i have read through the channels doc). i caught 3.25pts of that sp updraft...

no stalker, just browse and attach...should work. should be .doc format right?

ok i answered my question, the answer is 'yes'... now... does volume have something specifically to do with the establishment of point 3? i believe the answer to be that pt 3 is established on falling volume but where is the proportional trough point?

i don't remember reading about how point 3 is ultimately established but is it that, the new trend begins in a tape channel which expands to the right to form a point 3?

what do you all think of this chart? just for fun gotta be about the best example of the fractal nature of the market eh? 1-2-3

i actually had thought something along these lines before the open, thanks for putting it in words. so a > prv opposite. color of last 5m bar would indicate a more rapid reversal than say a < prv opposite. color of last 5m bar...esp. when it's reading above 10k.?

icarus i know that isn't how prv is done. that wasn't what i meant. the basic pv relation says 'if volume is rising, then price will continue...if volume is falling then price will change'. you get a PRV 10k 5 min bar when you see 1k accumulate in 30 seconds right...or 2k in 1 min...and...

i have a question about PRV... If i'm short, i naturally want to see increasing Red/down volume and decreasing UP/black volume correct? so as i'm marking down the 30 second volume readings, what do i DO with the black volume? should i give it a negative value? i ask because as i was...

ya i think i may have made a poor inferrence with regard to using APA after the initial entry bar....leads to too many trades hmmm...thinking.

ya he did say that, but i don't think that's what he did. my conjecture. it also helped me piece together his excel sheet for ym15 min...august of '03...the 30 points stuff. previously, i couldn't figure out how in the heck he made 30 points all of the days but 1. now i see it. pretty cool.

my comments are regarding the 15 min ym chart only and only going for 30 points and then quitting for the day...

this is what i have worked out with regards to IF1/2 and APA i'll see how successfully i can implement it tomorrow on the ym 15 minute. icarus, i believe you can deconstruct what jack did with the IF's and APA's by simply concentrating on the chart and TD he posted. looks pretty clear to me.

30pts a day is what i meant to say it appears to me that it is in essance 1 trade a day because you're just reversing and doing APA till you get your 30 pts. just my conjecture

reading about IF1 and IF2 and APA, caused me to have a flash of insight onto the 15 min ym fractal...that (30pts a day stuff) i feel like i'm making concentric circles around the main whole (holistic approach to money extraction)...and each revolution around brings me closer to the center...

thank you for the reply, and everyone else too it is appreciated. this is a good group.