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Usually use the futuresource.quote.com website to chart futures spreads (Brent and CL calendar spreads) but I've gone over there this morning and all the spread information seems to have gone, and there is no longer any ICE stuff at all. I can't seem to find a way to contact them via their...

brent has seen very steep contangoes in recent past - normally not as severe as wti - but still a lot - 3 bucks under in 2008 for example on front spread -

firstly, the issue of contango and carry could open a can of worms here. Secondly, if a market is in steep backwardation it implies that the physical is very scarce. For instance, if there was a squeeze in live cattle how would you intend to borrow non-existent cattle? Insemination...

and storage is difficult/impossible

livevol will do this for you, free trial at the moment, but not free longer term, $250/mo

Great reply, totally agree that you have to find what works for you. Trading the front Brent vs the front CL is the same as trading an arb calendar spread, I've seen people do it with half/full yearly spreads (Jun/Dec Dec/Jun Dec/Dec) as well, with success. I think the boxes are smoother...

not sure on try v bund, FI is not my forte. why do you hate the arb? ranges ok, then snaps out which can be ok too (strict stops/stop management is a must obv.). can day trade ranges etc, can scalp it i reckon, and can also trade fundamentals if you know your stuff a little bit. plus ice has...

Haha hit your target and still not happy..... thought it was nicely timed myself. If you want less snoozing you should have been on the arb today...

Isn't LO the nymex code for brent? CL can be cleared on ice, not fungible, but priced off nymex really, if its CL why bother? if brent, why are you using clearport?

ok well i work in the field of crude markets so know about the conventions etc. i think your point is that after a sell of you see a relative firming of front month as people take profit...... (of either flat price, or the front spread)

bone - same question as james dean... do you mean that july/aug will tighten? because no part of the crude curve is in backwardation at the moment, take it you mean the move down means people taking profits/bounce/whatever giving extra support to the front month?

interesting, what variables other than stocks etc do you look at? seasonal stuff? technicals? just interested to know - what's your target on the trade? or do you not trade with tp/sl etc?

ouch... what's your stoploss here? what models do you use? do you look at the technicals too? my personal view is that the front WTI spreads are murder because of cushing, whipsaw around a lot, interesting to hear more indepth reasons on the fundamentals cheers

mate - call the exchange +44 207 382 8200 why are you interested?