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Which is why I can't help but wonder if there isn't something larger going on here...

It's all about capabilities. They don't have the capability to drive Israel into the sea. So, we don't have to worry about that one do we? If someone attacked me with a knife and I killed him and 30 innocent bystanders with my tank or dropped a bomb on his house and got the entire block I...

While what you say is no doubt true for conventional warfare that is not what Israel faces here -- stateless/guerilla warfare. Israel has tried the conventional approach for years and it hasn't worked. That's why there is/has been a peace process. Short of throwing out all the Palestinians...

Israel had control of and administered all of these areas years ago and it didn't work. In order for your proposal to make it I think you have to move all of the Palestinians out. In order to do that you'd probably have to go to war with the rest of the arab nations as they don't want them...

Well, A) The military does not direct policy it only implements it. Limiting your vocabulary to "military" terms only limits your options. B) The entire history of the state of Israel demonstrates that the military option has only limited effectiveness. More generally, coming down...

To me, The reaction seems out of proportion -- especially given the withdrawl of the settlements and the Hamas move towards de facto recognition of Israel. When it was just the Palestinians I thought it might just be a case of "take what we offered as the alternatives are much worse." With...

Another apologist for rampant fraud.

Got it. Thanks. Weekend reading.

So my ex believed -- and since I paid she was right! :eek:

Thanks for trying: Can you email the report to ssternlight@yahoo.com ? thanks.

Any sort of backup for those assertions?

Agreed -- and this was the unstated nub of my back and forth with Cheese I think. My point is that while we all recognize that the game has a huge number of flaws we shouldn't be acting as apologists for the fraudsters. Nor should we let the scope of the dot com/energy price rigging frauds...

The actual point is that the employees, investors, and bond holders were entitled to accurate financial information on the company and its prospects. Based on that information everyone could have made informed decisions including but not limited to, not selling your good company to loser Lay...

The whole case was about fraud and he was found guilty of multiple counts of it. His own testimony damned him -- which should tell you something right there. He was also convicted of bank fraud by a judge in a non-jury trial -- so that out doesn't work. Anderson was put out of business for...

Well, IMO, Mark Rich would be just as appropriate to the argument as Scooter. If you'd prefer to use him to make the point I've got no trouble with it. I wasn't trying to get "political."

Because in the end the perp didn't walk -- as the Health South guy {Scrushy?} did.

Just out of curiosity how will his death assist his estate planning?

If I follow what you are saying I think this is incorrect. The purpose of putting Ken Lay in jail is to deter others in the future. Also, his death robs his victims of the satisfaction that he is personally paying the price for his actions. If one of the President's best friends spends...

lol.. the Neanderthal emerges.

No. I'm not defending the part of the firm involved in the fraud. However, it was a worldwide firm with a lot of employees who weren't crooks either and they got swept up in it as well.