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james bond wrote: Are you aware that Richard Dawkins refers to himself as a Darwinist? Does that mean he doesn't understand science and is a religious fanatic?

BrownsFan019 wrote: But doesn't the exchange spell this out? They are the one's that establish the over-night margin amounts that brokers must impose on traders. Don't they also tell the brokers the time during which the over-night amounts are in effect?

That is a very good summary. I agree 100%. Thank you.

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Version77 wrote: Yes, from this forum alone I have been referred to two brokers that only require $500 margin for trades placed 3 minutes before the market opens. They don't consider orders placed before the market opens to be subject to over-night margin rules. For all I know IB is the...

Quote from Teleologist: TraderNix wrote: The design inference came first. No one goes looking for designers before they determine something is designed. To make this perfectly clear let's move stonehenge to the Moon. If Stonehenge had been discovered on the Moon, archaeologists would...

Quote from Teleologist: TraderNic wrote: They were able to distinguish Stonehenge from the natural environment because they recognized it as an artifact. And they recognized it as an artifact without knowing who designed it.

kjkent1 wrote: Do you want my answer or Z's answer?

TraderNik wrote: Yes, archaeologists think humans designed Stonehenge. How did they come to this conclusion? The first thing they did was infer that Stonehenge was designed without any specific evidence of the designer. The second thing they did was assume that no one else was around to do...

TraderNik wrote: I never said or implied that because it is clear that someone designed Stonehenge that that means someone designed life on Earth. My point was that one doesn't need to know who designed something in order to infer it's the product of intelligent design. TraderNik...

There are many artifacts for which we do not know who the designers were. One of them is Stonehenge. Do you think Stonehenge was designed or was it the result of a nature process? If you think it was designed, do you know who the designers were? These are the facts: 1. No one knows who...

2cents wrote: I've got news for you. ID is a theory of evolution. ID is an alternative to the view that evolution proceeds solely via accident and coincidence. ID is an investigation into the logical possibility that evolution is the product/output of design. Or put another way, that life...

DRTOMASO wrote: Your knowlege and experience with forum posts doesn't explain the origin of posters but that doesn't preclude posters from being natural. Likewise, failure to explain the origin of the designers of life on earth doesn't preclude them from being natural. Either one of us can...

Why should I watch a video that for all I know has nothing to do with the subject of this thread? Can you present one argument that Miller makes that convinces you that ID is creationism? If so, present it here. If I find it valid I will watch the video.

I'm already quite familiar with Miller's view's on ID. If you think he has made some valid points then present them here.

The subject of this thread is "ID is not creationism". Does Miller present evidence in his video that ID is creationism? If so, post it here and we can debate it.

Drtomaso wrote: Yes, but your knowledge and experience with forum posts fails to explain the origin of the author of the post. Therefore, by your reasoning you must conclude that the author of the post is supernatural in order to avoid the infinite regress problem.

DRTomaso wrote: That is false. Most of those behind the ID movement were disillusioned Darwinists not creationists. Besides, the concept of ID goes back at least as far as the ancient Greek philosophers. To say it began 20 years ago is ridiculous.

DRtomaso wrote: Pure nonsense. That's like saying that if scientists discovered a Mt. Rushmore-like structure on Mars and had no idea who was behind it's origin that they would invoke a supernatural agent in order to avoid the infinite succession of creators issue. No way. On viewing this...