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lol well like i said football is on. I assure you that nothing you have said here is over my head and i will argue whatever with you, but i won't miss football to do so. so later brah.

you're off topic. We weren't talking about the fiscal reality of medicare, but I forgot you are atticus the all knowing and are never wrong about anything ever so you didn't actually change the subject that is just my imagination playing tricks. /sarcasm

football is on dude, so i will argue later. But you are straying from the point. You asked lucrum if he would be refrain form taking medicare out of principle. I am saying, in principle, you have a right to get your money plus a return back if you were forced to pay in. Since that isn't an...

1) No we don't, you just gave a definition and the programs I listed, fit. No one said rules or regs are socialist. being forced to buy insurance from a private company is no different than being forced to buy it from the state. Besides you guys all want a single payer system right? either...

if mayne, IF. Straight up, I don't know all the rules but I'm almost certain that anyone drawing a salary or like hourly wages is FORCED to pay in. The overwhelming majority of working people are compensated this way. I'm also pretty sure prop traders and self employed individuals aren't...

i think that's pretty solid insight and agree here as well. It seems like we are on the same page, at least on this. Who woulda thought it was possible, a 'far rightie' as I've been called, and a lib.. err whatever your label is.

we all have, that's why obama is pres, and why socialism is acceptable.. imo anyway. It doesn't work anywhere but sure let's keep at it.. WOOOOOOOOOOO OHH BAA MAA!!

Not in the USA, at least until the last century.. there were NO federal social (welfare) programs. Yes obamacare medicare and medicaid and SS are ALL socialist programs, they are state operated, administered and mandated services. Yes obama is a socialist. And seriously really truly the fed...

If you are forced to pay into a program then you should take the benefits of it. It isn't hypocritical at all. You know SS was originally supposed to be voluntary right? Don't make me pay, I won't, then society owes me nothing. Fair to me.

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The only news program that I watch in general is whatever show Brett Baier hosts (used to be Brit Hume). Powers is on there frequently (or she used to be) and I got the impression over the last couple of years that she doesn't really like obama. She was ALL for him getting elected and she was...

i don't think it's piss :D

I think we are closer to agreement than not. I didn't mean we should invade Libya, but i didn't really make it clear. Since the initial riot in egypt, it has spread all over the region, ironically it appears that in Libya, where our people were murdered, they DID actually try and protect us...

This is pretty disturbing. Between this and the 'special prosecutor' for Zimmerman, WHO WAS FOUND INNOCENT by law enforcement, it seems that obama will do anything to push his agenda. Add in breaking bankruptcy law in the case of GM and Chrysler, as well as the individual mandate and the only...

It wasn't on the federal level. Look if we are expected to abide by our laws then that means all of them. The Constitution is top dog, Congress doesn't have the authority to mandate us to buy shit, they just don't. At the state level things are different.. i disagree with it at every level.

1) Absolutely true, which is why we need a Ron Paul like President. Guys like him and Christie appear to be the only ones on either side willing to cut govt. 2) Absolutely false, I have a choice between 2 guys or no vote. On the whole I disagree with obama on just about EVERYTHING. Romney...

Yeah I get what you're saying but this is the wrong way to go about it. We have the most powerful military the world has ever known, our soldiers should be over there laying down the law, THEN once the pandemonium has ceased we can try and talk it out. They drew first blood and should be...

yeah the Patriot act that your boy obama signed an extension for.. just last year I believe. Of course these are the most controversial elements of the act, which is why they have to be extended every couple of years or so. Or the DHS and TSA which he has done nothing to get rid of. Or the...

I don't agree with everything you say Cap'n but i respect your point of view and I am glad that you can see just how disturbing this is. The proper response to the WH inquiry is *ahem* "FUCK OFF". We aren't going to shut up because a bunch of savage zealots think that they can commit murder...

You admitted yourself that the govt doesn't actually create anything they take OUR money and give it to private sector companies to build. The point, there is no need for the govt to be involved at all. On a thread very similar to this not so long ago, I gave you an example of the railroads...