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It's been made abundently clear in this thread, the rational used for a deity creator god is as usual, based only in ludicrous arguments of absurdly contradicting statements. So far.... no religion is religion no belief is belief no knowledge is knowledge no god is god The only other...

You did say the Creator does this, the Creator does that. You did say the Creator is unknowable. But ok, now it is - in your opinion-, you know things about an unknowable Creator. Little difference your explanation is the same. Can you honestly not see how such a basic contradiction...

No, not a tie. Scientific knowledge/progress, and your imaginary friend God a tie? Dream on. Your religious psychosis is no contender. And you needn’t let me know if you ever do manage anything like a return of equal force. It would be unmissable .

Not a tie. Your argument says scientifc progress will continue to develop and improve, whilst religion has been dead in the water for thousands of years with no discoveries and teaching nothing, providing no substantial knowledge about the Universe, the way science does, That's fine by me...

Has science found the end of the universe? LOL!!! No. For all we know, the universe is unlimited, infinite in energy and size... So an infinite unlimited universe just came out of something like an explosion, you know, some big bang... Hmmm.... Every explosion I've seen or...

Quote from Index piker: Nice argument for intelligent design amongst reinventing Hinduism and Buddhism amongst others. Like I said you fools are too funny for words.

You mean like a Creator? what was your point again …oh yea , that’s right , ....... you don't actually have one

what was your point again …oh yea , that’s right , you don't have one

You describe a Creator as unknowable but you know It does not exist in a Universe such as this one, and you know It is not a personality, and you know It created and orders the Universe. So that Creator is not actually unknowable, as you know things about It. This is getting like no belief is...

So what would that imaginary Creator exist in? A non expanding Universe which existed forever !? You don’t need the Creator. An expanding Universes exists, so why is it more likely or even necessary at all, for an extra mythical make-believe Creator to exist , rather than simply a...

..it's not like you have anything better to do.

You're still making up (/copying) your suggestions about things that science doesn't say, Life is possible , not from big bang itself that produced only two elements, but because of coalescence, the production of heavier elements much later from the formation, and collapse and massive...

How very unexpected. Now that we agree nothing is Supernatural, God is not supernatural, there only remains the magical uncaused invisible imaginary myth fairy sky friend and cloud daddy part.

A substantial knowledge of fact based theory supporting a natural event of point of zero volume, with very high mass and infinite density OR A supernatural magical uncaused invisible imaginary myth fairy sky friend cloud daddy. . yeah... no more preposterous to anyone who can no...

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jem, You have no capacity for discussion or argument without making wrong statements, being self-contradictory, not listening to what is being said in opposition to your view, and stating things that are only in your imagination. No one is more emotional here than yourself. You swear and...

Sketchy evidence and no proof is all that's ever available to superstition.

If you dispute using the big bang model to extrapolate the formation of life itself, as you say, then why do you extrapolate that ? Science doesn't. Why would you even imagine life on earth starting as pure happenstance? Science doesn't. Inevitable perhaps, but not happenstance...

That's like saying although Math starts out very simply with 1+1 =2, like Evolution does , the illogical assumptions and downright question begging which ID starts out with should be alongside Math, confusing any understanding of the universe as much as possible to make it seem like ID is...

The problem with being confused in the way you are, is it will cause you to think everything looks the same as a God surmisal.