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Dude, You're talking about worshipping some imaginary being for an eternity who in the stories of it , behaves worse than Pol Pot . What sort of hell is it like walking around with that emotional monkey on your back. I'm sure otherwise you are a nice guy but please, where has your integrity...

Existence has God beat , so the only thing an Optional theist can think of is to try and turn God into Existence.

You've still no argument . Just absurd statements and claims Have you finished with your "belief in Christ" already. You've not found that humility it's supposed to teach then

yeah yeah.... same old same old. You have no argument past your absurdity so try and take it out with insults on anyone who calls you out. How very like holding your "belief in Christ" that is of you. btw. the points you raised have all been answered, you just can't understand a...

You can of course dance around chasing your own tail all you like but God does not spell nor mean Existence. Is there really any need to explain the logical flaws in your statement "God is existence"? So why the word and meaning for God then, when the word and meaning of Existence exists...

If "God was existence" the word existence wouldn't need to exist. ...and God is yours before that. That is your absurdity. I am not claiming Gilbert is the greatest. You are claiming God is when it is very clear, that is absurd. You start the daftness. You are making daft claims of God...

You've failed to pin a "non-belief- belief " on me and you've failed to make any point. Are you going for a strike out?

Lol Your arrogant self-importance and high opinion of yourself isn't a good start in the deep thinking and understanding stakes. Humility in Christ....LMAO

Yep, religion is a joke ok. It certainly isn't anything to be taken seriously. That much has been made abundantly clear.

I see you still have no point .

With or without counter religious beliefs, with or without you telling me what my acceptance of non-religious belief is, whether you like it or not, I remain without religious beliefs. Simply because I find no reason to have any religious beliefs . No belief is not a belief and if the best...

Whether conceptually , ontologically ,actually, or obviously, everything needs existence to exist. Whether conceptually , ontologically ,actually, or obviously, God would need existence to exist. In this context there is no logical definition for the greatest being God. Existence trumps...

Your second premise is flawed by the exclusion of certain possibilities you otherwise allow. . It would necessitate the atheist and the theist and the "agnostic" believe in toothfairies too, as they may be found some day. Not all theists have belief in toothfairies so no belief or faith is...

I state my opinions not beliefs. I don't accept your facts are facts, and when I face those, I find no reason for having a belief in them. The only people who believe I have beliefs, are the theists like you who tell me what I believe.

Ridiculous to believe I don't.

[/B] You're right there, they are unrelated. Mine's backed up in the reality of existence. Keep trying though and look where a religious belief can take you. Right into the full on purple hate of religous zealotry BernardPilchards displays..

people who don't want their beliefs ridiculed shouldn't have such ridiculous beliefs

Ok, then here it is in all its original glory... Quote from jficquette: "God doesn't exist in time and space so the idea of "Before" is not applicable relative to our frame of reference. " Now my question to you remains, if you require pictures and can only understand by pictures, how...

You don't know the definition, that much is clear. The Cosmological argument is by definition about first cause, according to Aristotle and Plato, who rank rather more highly than anything you can offer. Nothing to do with a creator or god. . So your incorrect comment that "By definition in...

Those who do not differentiate between real people and imaginary friends which created the universe , might well be short of a few qualifications.