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Both you and Bernard Richards are sounding aggressively over defensive, unhappy and angry people. Neither of you have addressed any of the irrationality you make, nor give any reasonable justification for the obvious bias in your own posts. Going by the quality of argument presented you'd...

How can Socrates know then, his statement is wise or true? His own False words..... eh?

So your personnal bias is toward "don't know" ?

Only in as far as he sounds like a complete tit.

Hi Barth I appreciate your comments :) With a mutal respect then, if you are reading historians of the period, one would not usually objectively conclude that a figure they are writing about is itself historical because the historians writing about it don't say it isn't. That's a default...

Well sort of. What I'm saying trendlover is, to be spiritual is actually to imagine there is mysterious magic behind the outcome of any experience one cares to pick out. So the faculty through which the external world is apprehended (sentience) by those with a spiritual instinct, will by...

trendlover, I think it's fair to say, Spiritual is the idea that sentience is magic.

I see what you mean. Then people for whom reason is not enough, should not try to reason those needs . It's not a case of convincing them their needs are wrong. It is a case of pointing out they are being deceitful and dishonest in claiming those unreasoned (religious) needs (delusions)...

You've illustrated there very well how ordinary imagination can develop into grand delusion. But good luck anyway with your voodoo style group phsycosis and that particular version of the Jerusalem syndrome. Just as long as you don't hurt anyone.

Your efforts to convince that reasoning doesn't work, has never been borne out in reality .

For every verse of Bible you thump there is another to make it untrue or contradict it. You only notice what you think sound like nice bits do you? Shifting the blame onto everyone else - because god as described in the Bible is a schizophrenic lying cheating killer, suffering with a love...

Right, so your idea is, that somthing called God , sick enough in the Bible Stories to cheat, steal, envy, murder, slander, curse, hate, start wars, kill babies and puff Itself up with pride, is supposed to have created humans in It's own image, to be sick also. Then It commands them to...

The Bible describes God that way too. A mean vengeful jealous murdering megalomaniac. You have read the Bible?

He is the dead horse.

Hi Barth, My point is, the reason why Gibbon and Julian are historical figures, means Jesus is not. Furthermore, reasons which make things historical are missing in what Gibbon and Julian say about Jesus. It means Jesus as a real person is still not historically based . In your...

The reasons why Gibbon and Julian are historical, are reasons why Jesus is not.

They evolve through genetic change and so Evolution is observed. Not talking about adaptation. more observed Evolution By making incorrect statements about science and evolution it appears as if you assume that would somehow make your imaginary god a little more real. On the other hand...

Fruit flies are one such example. They evolve in the laboratory. Evolution is predicted and observed. Wrong answer. Yes is the correct answer. Do you think making incorrect statements about science means god is more real and somehow less to do with imagination? Rubbish. You "Typical...

"A society without religion is like a crazed psychopath without a .45." - author unknown

I'd put it this way: And, if you don't know it to be true because you don't understand the arcane mathematics, why isn't it ok to say i DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN (<s>Agnostic</s> Atheist), but i am not a disbeliever either (theist), but I am leaning toward belief (theist) I just don't know...