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I would just say, non-religious tribes and societies have been around a long time, far longer than Christianity. For example 700 years BC there are were Indian tribes, cultures , whose philosophies were heterodox, non religious systems. Carvaka is one. In the South Americas there still...

The Christ myth has always been a fragmented mythology, made up from countless sects and sub cults. Clearly the Council of Nicaea didn't resolve any of that. Neither have endless subsequent attempts of one kind or another. People who call themselves Christians have never all been able to...

Which suggests Constantine changed deities like he changed togas.

Fair point, but I was taking the OP to mean the fall of Rome commenced when "an Emperor " at the supposed time of Christ's supposed death..."didn't took care of it anymore... " The Roman senate always considered Christianity generally to be another cult, I think it's fair to say. Indeed...

Nah, no way. Had something important happened enough to get that upset about , the Christ character would at least have been formally recorded . Nothing was. Christ has only ever been a fictional mythological image, never an historical person. Any Emperor in those times would more likely...

Thing is, you can carry on blindsiding and re-interpreting obvious callous and immoral christian doctrine as if it meant something else, but it won't alter the fact that it is callous and immoral. For one I'm very glad I don't "understand" how the Bible, in deliberately violating accepted...

Given right? Isn't that what you Bible thumpers, not secular law, are supposed to have, and why God Bods want people to follow Jesus, because the secular order is basically wrong? It's perfectly clear neither God nor Jesus would remove slavery. On the contrary, it is condoned, sanctioned...

This is about the forced labor of people who are considered to be the property of another person, who can be beaten, tortured to work to do anything their master demands. Not some woolly minded free mens' Christian fantasy excuses about lust and desire. What you say here should be more...

Wallet, "It" (ie Jesus non-sacrificial - non-death) was and IS NOT real. What is real, are some human emotional responses and reactions to a severe superstition which you are describing and evidently practicing. Christianity is all about self-interest. The deal goes this way ....you do...

Wallett, In response to your points in their order. There ‘ARE’ period texts of Sherlock Holmes, but that doesn't make him a real person. Some people writing about a fictional Jesus as a so called 'Christus' and his disciples does not make any of them real or actual. There are proven...

Don't be ridiculous dude. Many people all over the world including biblical scholars and theists find no reasons to assume or believe any Bible character called Jesus actually lived. I suggest you do some research. Nevertheless, "the text" is either supposed to be taken literally where you...

You cannot be serious Wallet! Come FOLLOW! imaginary jesus to play imaginary heaven with imaginary jesus and don't sin. But ha, imaginary jesus says you cannot help but sin. Therefore pretend you are kissing the ass of imaginary jesus and imaginary jesus may or may not play at imaginary...

Now you're even lying to yourself.

Let's face it jem, your pathetic arguments boil down to black is white and you cannot even begin to coherently substantiate your ridiculous position. Why not learn a little good grace and stop trying to defend your nonsensical indefensible statements . You've been all around the houses with...

....Who says no need for a creator, you're going with that. Fine That's progress. Pat yourself on the back (if you can work out where your back is).

Seriously jem, just what the hell are you talking about now? Richard Dawkins? Do you mean Stephen Hawkins? You're such a prat. Now you have Steven Weinberg suggesting " life without being fine-tuned by a benevolent creator" and a Cardinal (a title now synonymous with pedophilia)...

They'll never learn if they haven't learned by now. Catholicks still not living by their own rules and still promoting the religious ideal...practice what I say not what I do ... "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out...

jem, I have understood well what you have been saying all along. It's really not that difficult. Perhaps you're starting to feel a little better now apparently able to understand a little of what Susskind is actually saying, as all the usual aggression and swearing and cursing in your...

Being easily convinced by delusional episodes appears to be your speciality jem.

God doesn't hate tyrants? Was that your feeble attempt to be rational? Apparently you think greatest science comes from the intention of reading God's mind. So why wouldn't God's mind be atheist? Surely God's mind would not have reason to think there could be a more supreme creator...