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where have you been? we been talking about problems with HFT in stocks and waay to many market centers\ECN's\dark pools for years.. today it is really hard or even impossible to get into a winning trade on low\medium volume stocks. i'm talking about 100K shares average and above...below-fucking...

that's depends on your definition of living. i can live in US just fine on 50K a year..no need for 500K account and ES margin to get there.you can have decent living on 10-20K in many countries around the world..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algorithmic_trading as far as i know HFT is far away from this description of algo trading. this type of algo trading ,described above i, personally using for a decade or so...HFT operates on totally different level using data,speed,commissions that is impossible...

i've just re read OP's first post once again and i do agree that it would be nearly impossible for newbie to win,if he falls into OP's description of small retail trader. newbie have to adapt,learn as much as possible,if he wants to beat the "house"..but same thing applies to any field in small...

you contradicting to yourself in this post. serious-that's the key word..they not a newbees and not undercapitilized. i'm referring to 99% of "traders" who are either trying to trade forex with 2-5K or futures with 10K max...they will lose and will be out of the game before they can realize...

i'm kinda sick and tired to hear this shit all the time...are trying to convince yourself or somebody else? cause for obvious reasons your bogus arguments are not working for me...have you seen that statement from my post above...

how you going to compare? different traders trade different securities,time frames,some more frequently,some less..methods are vary as well. i trade baskets of stocks, a lot of trades,some of those stocks in basket are losers,some winners. but by EOD my PnL is positive for most of the time. was...

i 'm pretty sure that somebody like GS or JP have plenty of money to trade without any margin at all. and if they don't-they can borrow any amount of money from FED for free. the biggest impact of rising margins will be as usual-on average joe the trader..

what a piece of junk..they keep releasing one build after another...meanwhile i see this shit every single fucking day. called frozen quotes. it's fucking 2011! and we still have this issue for a fucking decade!

have you look at the prints themselves before you make this assumption? i disagree with you. simply because any trader in his right mind have stops activated and triggered only during regular hours. everyone else is just plain dumb and will get what he deserved. dumb bot just keep buying all...

here is an example of dumb bots at work: http://www.forbes.com/2011/05/03/afterhours-health-care-trades-scrutinized-marketnewsvideo.html somebody lost pretty good amount of money on those trades..and it's not a small traders.

http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=215248&perpage=6&highlight=cgarcia&pagenumber=2 just like achilles28 said-not easy, but it's possible. most people are not committed and not patient enough. 99% of them are undercapitalized..

but wait..there is more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110503/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden they shoot unarmed osama twice, once in the head and then after he pretty much dead-one more in the chest. GREAT JOB! WAY TO GO SEALS! they even killed the innocent woman on front of osama. and obama...

then form one. just to write off the expenses,if you think that they are too high. imo-it's worth it to have one just for that. check your PM

http://www.forbes.com/2011/05/03/afterhours-health-care-trades-scrutinized-marketnewsvideo.html those are some fucked up prints right there..bots gone wild..

it's been always like this..but that fee is use to be in range between 750 and 500. now for only 300 per year it's a fucking bargain :D

whatever..it's your call..today you just saw a spike,tomorrow your system will kick you out of the trade, with market stop and you will be filled far outside of the market..all triggered by bad data...it been always like this..if you let it go once-trust me,you will be fucked very hard next...

let me repeat this one more time: change your data provider or have two of them for cross reference. i'm little retail guy...i have 3. that's why there is no paranormal activity in my trading

and? where spike did occur? give us exact time. it's a real time 5 min chart,that goes from yesterday up to 9:50 am EST today.

i'm serious,if you are serious about trading...here is my chart-