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haha thats what i was saying in other words :)

well you have to understand that putmaster sells vol in single names where he is willing to hold/ but doesn't want to really.. and believes anyone selling premium on any scale without it being more then delta covered is going to bust..

what do you mean not "party" to the index

this is common knowledge for you Atty.. not for Carey the noob.. :)

just a thought here.. say you have a very small account.. would the premise of all this on a smaller scale be applicable in a slightly different way.. say for example.. You condor an index.. with a kind of queen of condors strategy.. meaning you roll up to three times.. with wide striked...

• Demand for index protection: Institutionals will usually buy protection through index vol, hence keeping the index surface higher relative to the average basket vol surface. • Supply for single stocks volatility: On individual equities, there are proportionally more...

just so you don't get confused.. this is on http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=3585076 this paper.. i haven't read the second paper yet.

and this part to.. "So, if you have the likes of Allianz and AIG asking you for markets in single stock options and they happen to be for about five times the average volume in those things, you can either tell them to get lost or you can take down the paper for a bit of edge and do the...

in the first paper that was posted this is my favorite part.. "Free lunch? Not quite… what about a day like this?"

when i first read that i was thinking you were saying i was going to have millions to invest.. haha the guy has balls.. weather or not they get chopped off or not who knows..

haha ok cause i stopped reading it right when i saw that.. i'll read the whole paper..

i don't understand what your saying by that...

omg hilarious buddy.. hilarious.. haha

ok i say we F*&k them for our millions.. :) I swear there needs to be a grass roots uprising of the intelligent in the retail community to take the power back from these bastards... Why because i wanna be a Market maker one day.. and i wanna dump all that filthy month back into my deserving...

"margining customer accounts with positions in stocks and stock options since April 2007 influenced and triggered the U.S. stock market crash in October 2008" this is from that link... you sent me and seems ridiculous.. the crash had nothing to do with this.. it was an entire market and...

well think when things jet down and liquidity is low... institutions might hold.. while pm's get liquidated.. basically at that point the pm liquidation might be the majority of the market participation.. ? ! @#%#$%^ just thinking :)

ahhhoohhh hmmm they get first priority to jack some one up in margin liquidation.. boom they gotta love tail events..

who is Timberhill? nothing like sticking yourself the right way in a liquidity hole haha

umm.. oh this cycle of madness is exactly the kind of thing i wanna be on the opposite side of .. i figure this is my only way up the elevator from 20k to 200mil haha.. that just sounsd like your starting up a chainsaw and cutting your own neck with it in a senerio like that.. gosh thats the...