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That's what they tell us... "real socialism... done right... has never been tried".

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Isn't that $79/mo + $.19/side? $199/mo, all in, unlimited contracts? Commissions are generally $.50-$.60/rt throughout the discount community. So... Tradovate drops them to $.19 or even zero. But the exchange fees have always been the bulk of the cost.

I've known of Dorman for a long time.

That's $.10 commish... what about "exchange fees"? Are they included in the $199/mo?

I presume Tradeovate is an IB? Who is their clearing FCM?

You know a lot about "limited knowledge", do you?

You have an exchange seat? Most don't

How do you figure? 1 tic = $12.50, 3x contracts @ $4.00 each commish?? Shouldn't that be 3x $12.50 = $37.50, - $12.00 commish = $25 net*? * And who would take on the nominal risk of 3 ES @ $140K each, = $420,000 risk play for the opportunity to net $25?

I'm not trying to shut anybody down. All I'm saying is, "trading for tics is a wasted endeavor", regardless of whomever tries it.

You are defending the notion of "trading for tics"? How'd you settle upon that? I always thought you smarter. Has that Arizona desert heat baked your brain?

Maybe I'm naive about this.... But trading stock indices on the CME... isn't that the "consolidated source" of trade fills... regardless of the broker's access? IOW, fill should the be the same regardless of broker. Client orders are placed and take their place in the CME ES queue... to be...

Which is why "playing for tics" is nonsense... not to mention the noise factor in the ES.

Still hogwash. That's not "60 tics of success"... that's "1 tic win x 60 contracts"... big diff. And who in his right mind is going to risk a 60 lot for 1 tic? Even if you nail it perfectly one time, commissions take 1/3 of the gain. Who is naive enough to play that game? And "nets" doesn't...

Hogwash! You show me ONE "tic player" who nets 60/day, and I'll eat your shorts.

"Playing for tics" is a joke, period.

Take that $12.50 to Starbux for a coffee and a scone.

Probably because you're trying to "set the paramaters" for trades rather than let the market "talk to you". IOW, trying to "cherry pick what YOU want to see".... which is not what the market usually offers up. There is enough profit potential and "action" in the stock indices for certain...

Seems Tesla is a "whole lotta hype", tax subsidies, and actually low-quality cars with more than its share of problems. Seems the stock should be doing much worse than it is.... Musk made $Billions on the back of US Taxpayers... hard to root for his or Tesla's success. On the technical side...

Enough hate and stupidity out of you, buckeroo. ON IGNORE!!