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IMO the SPY and ES move the same so I guess it's cheaper to trade SPY for the tighter spread. What's the point in spending more dosh to trade an instrument when trading its derivative carries less costs... There's virtually no spread on SPY and it is practically the same market of ES (SP)

As of late I'm having a little bit of trouble abusing the 'what not' part of your statement ...

:)....:p

...And if the short is wrong reverse and go long. At these levels you can expect big moves...

Early in the morning, well befor the opening bell, There was a guy name Zdreg posting here on ET almost desperate to find a way to short BIDU...

This sounds terribly familiar with the gambler's bad habit of going to the pawn shop to feed his addiction...:p

Yep, true enough. I like all kinds of orders too, but MO simply are just not of my liking. Maybe, as you say, with stock is better to avoid MO while they can work well with commodities and other markets. And obviously when you need to get in or out fast.

Why would you want to use market orders? I rarely had a good fill hitting bid/ask... Wouldn't be safer to use limit orders 2-4 cents out of the money on stocks at times where you know it's difficult to get a decent fill? Wonder if you use market orders in particular situations.

Well, this still wouldn't change the fact that I do not have the wildest idea. but if I had to guess I would say every price that's touched ( even if for a sec.) counts.....

That's an interesting question, although 5 pips is hardly a spike. I frankly would like to know the answer...

I realize what I did just say may not be very ethical. Nevertheless, in terms of opportunity, I can't view it otherwise.

You could try to check CFDs.

Yep, full of emotions and horror stories. Perfect recipe.

That wouldn't make sense for me: I feel so bad when I lose I have to take a breathing, I can't keep trading and losing that would kill my confidence and my self esteem. If I take a significant loss I pause, suffer, recover, analyze and try to learn; and then move on but with a different mind-set...

GOOG dropped the ball just last quarter and thank goodness I saw it coming, and got out early with a small loss. Looking at YHOO numbers it's possible to have a good idea where GOOG might be going.

Fair enough. Good luck to you...

You are bound to recover your past losses with this trade... ...I can't see indices go other than up and up and up and.....:)

So, not only you survived the crash but you got good $$ out of it. You dudes move some size... I never made more than $3500 in one daytrade and lost max. $3000. And those were the good times, I had to reduce size to survive, now Im moving 100-300 shares per trade.

As far as I know all option that are ITM at the day of delivery are automatically esercsised, but RA sure knows better...