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See NOTE in previous post. You can't offer speculations as proof of anything. So, in a sense, the game is over. I won't respond to your posts in future unless you offer some real evidence of your arguments.

See NOTE in previous post.

Already given. It is remaining up to you to refute what has been offered. At this point the burden IS on you. You have failed, both in fact, and by your own admission.

Agreed: your arguments don't work.

That doesn't work. You don't prove one thing by asking your opponent to prove the reverse. Should I assume then you have no proof that contemporaneous martyrs were deluded, based on your lack of evidence?

You're right, I missed it. Sorry. Also, if there's any doubt as to the intent of Jesus, the Jews come to our aid. In the gospels they tried to stone him for claiming he was God.

NOTE: Mere speculation. Please prove the contemporaneous martyrs were deluded. If you can't do it, my original statement stands. And I will no longer debate your speculations, you'll have to start thinking for yourself. That library idea is a good one -- check it out (no pun intended).

You lost me.

Because they have a belief (that they can't know to be true until they die). If you had simple understanding, you would know the contemporaneous martyrs weren't believers, they were knowers. They didn't have to wait until they died to know that Jesus either rose from the dead or he didn't...

Then why were contemporaneous people willing to die for him? Jesus had told them that he was going to prove he was God by rising from the dead after 3 days. Were people then incredibly more stupid than today (you can probably see why I think that unlikely) to the point that they would give...

I notice that people who can't think for themselves are quick to point out that others have done so-and-so to refute what they themselves can't accept. Come on, you can at least post some real arguments, eh? Let's stop with the, "Everybody knows" arguments because everbody doesn't.

Well, I agree with you about one thing: I can't argue against your ignorance of science. Hie thyself to a public library -- they're nearly everywhere -- to find out whether the theory of relativity has become a law. You may also want to look up the definition of a law in scientific...

He wasn't telling him what all must do to enter heaven. He was telling him what would give him "treasure in heaven." If I gave all I had to the poor, I might be guilty of violating scripture that says, "He who doesn't provide for his own family is worse than an unbeliever." I notice all...

I see you have no argument against the logic and science of my post, else you would have presented it. But, hey, if you can't demolish an argument, make fun of it, eh?

Cute.:) A little science for you. (Warning: gets very complex and may hurt the brain for those unprepared to consider.) Einstein discovered by analysis that light is peculiar to our universe and doesn't seem to conform to universal laws; all conforms to light, making things relative to...

There are about 24,000 manuscripts or fragments that are about 98% agreed textually. It is commonly accepted -- except by people with an anti-christian bias -- that you can determine the text of any document by a sort of reverse-engineering. In other words, if these twenty-four thousand...

[/b] ... which is to say you cannot refute it. At least, you haven't done so. You could at least try, eh? All you have to do, if you're up to the challenge, is prove that the domain of effects a) is always a function of cause, or b) is never a function of cause. I seriously doubt...

[/b] ... which is what I was saying. [/b] ... which is what I was saying. [/b] ... which is not what I was saying. (sigh) The early martyrs were not believers, they were knowers because they were contemporaneous. You missed it entirely. While my analytical skills may need to be revisited on...

You're a bit weak in analytical skills. Yes, many people will die for what they believe to be true. However -- and this is what you missed -- how many will die for what they know to be false?

[/b]That's not really true. The problem with proving christianity and the bible true is the method of analysis. People like yourself choose the scientific method, which is like using it to analyze whether to turn the key in the ignition each time you start your car -- it's highly...