Hank, try iwn like I said before. I posted a chart of trading the 34/8 ema of iwn earlier in this thread. Also, try ewo,iyr,ewy,dsv,ewz,eem,adre,ilf,iws, and iwo. On the managed mutual fund side, try odmax (see chart posted in this thread), frmcx (now closed to new investors, but may reopen)...